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		<title>Interview with John C. Havens</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2008/11/21/interview-with-john-c-havens/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had a great interview today with John C. Havens. on BlogTalkRadio.com.

John and Shel Holtz recently released their new book Tactical Transparency: How Leaders Can Leverage Social Media to Maximize Value and Build their Brand (where yours truly is quoted). Check it out. 
>>> Editors Note: I am an idiot and got my &#8220;Shel&#8221;s mixed up, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a great interview today with <a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/newmediahavens">John C. Havens</a>. on BlogTalkRadio.com.</p>
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<p>John and <a href="http://blog.holtz.com/">Shel Holtz</a> recently released their new book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Transparency-International-Association-Communicators/dp/0470293705/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1227289809&#038;sr=8-1" target="new">Tactical Transparency: How Leaders Can Leverage Social Media to Maximize Value and Build their Brand</a> (where yours truly is quoted). Check it out. </p>
<p>>>> Editors Note: I am an idiot and got my &#8220;Shel&#8221;s mixed up, originally posting John&#8217;s co-author as Shel Israel, and not <strong>Shel Holtz</strong>, who IS the co-author of Tactical Transparency. My sincerest apologies to John and Shel, and thanks to Shel Israel who pointed out my error. I have corrected it above. </p>
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		<title>Do Experts Matter?</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2008/09/25/do-experts-matter/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post from Phill Baumann on experts, the value they may bring and Social Media experts in general. My favorite:
For example, Social Media experts are everywhere. When they’re everywhere, they’re nowhere. In other words, they don’t matter.
So if you want to tout your expertise then you better possess a passion for making other people’s lives [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post from <a href="http://philbaumann.com/2008/09/25/experts-dont-matter/">Phill Baumann</a> on experts, the value they may bring and Social Media experts in general. My favorite:</p>
<blockquote><p>For example, Social Media experts are everywhere. When they’re everywhere, they’re nowhere. In other words, they don’t matter.</p>
<p>So if you want to tout your expertise then you better possess a passion for making other people’s lives better, not yours. And you better do what you love in a way that sets you apart from the experts. </p></blockquote>
<p>I have been pitched by &#8220;Social Media Experts&#8221; that don&#8217;t blog, that dont twitter, that dont videoblog, that don&#8217;t stay on top of the more social trends on the web (my least favorite excuse is the one about the shoemakers children).</p>
<p>When I work with clients on these types of projects my main goal is to get them to become the experts. They need to believe this is something different. They need to commit. They need to do the work, make the effort, reach out to the users in real authentic ways. If we are trying to be more real and more authentic, why would we let an agency do it for us?</p>
<p>The Social Media Expert should be a catalyst, an evangelist (sorry @DAHOWLETT !), someone who is looking at the landscape, helping their clients understand what this is about, work together to build the program and advising them over time to tune and tweak and enhance their program and how they communicate. I think there may be something inauthentic about hiring an agency to communicate in a real voice to your users/customers/fans. Part of this thing of ours is about becoming more transparent, removing the &#8220;press release barrier&#8221;, dropping the the corp speak and taking off some of the armor that companies build to &#8220;protect&#8221; themselves from their users. </p>
<p>Whats really important?</p>
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		<title>25 years from now&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2008/09/10/25-years-from-now/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[A Plan for SocMedia]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[25 years from now someone in my niece&#8217;s graduating class might  be the VP pick for the highest office in the land (POTUS). What will that &#8220;vetting&#8221; process look like? Sure there will be the usual background check stuff, FBI calling their college roommates, PHD advisor, pastor, etc., but what happens in a world [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 years from now someone in my niece&#8217;s graduating class might  be the VP pick for the highest office in the land (POTUS). What will that &#8220;vetting&#8221; process look like? Sure there will be the usual background check stuff, FBI calling their college roommates, PHD advisor, pastor, etc., but what happens in a world where we are declaring our intention and attention (status) all-day, every day. What happens when one of these digital natives, who have been facebooking and myspacing, and flickring and youtube-ing their daily thoughts, ideas, location, and media every day for the next 25 years runs for office?</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Past Is Prologue</strong><br />
-William Shakespeare</p></blockquote>
<p><img src='http://www.seanbohan.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/palin.jpg' alt='Status anyone?' class='aligncenter' /></p>
<p>I had a conversation with my buddy Craig the other day and we discussed how these platforms and models were changing how users interact and part of the discussion touched specifically on:</p>
<blockquote><p>Right now, every kid under the age of 18 in the US has grown up with <em>potential </em>access to the internet either at home, school, rec center, mom&#8217;s office, etc. </p>
<p>For the most part these kids are creating online identities in a ton of places, some are throwaway (to get access to a concert video), and others are permanent (tell my niece she has to quit MySpace and you will end up in a fight). </p>
<p>These kids are getting their own computers (cell phones), self-organizing digitally</p>
<p>They are making their own media (audio, photo, video, text) daily</p>
<p>They are connecting with their friends on these platforms and using them to stay in touch, bully each other, make new friends, etc. </p></blockquote>
<p>Potentially, this generation will never lose touch with anyone they grew up with &#8211; EVER. They graduate from High School Facebook to College Facebook to Work/Life Facebook (or whatever the social platform/graph/grid/mesh evolves to). My niece will be able to keep in touch with, ignore and more importantly,<em> have status on </em>every single kid she is going to high school and college today.  I can&#8217;t remember every single kid I went to grade school with, but I could probably find a bunch of them on Facebook if I looked hard enough. </p>
<p>Networking? Sure &#8211; having the world&#8217;s largest, distributed address book in history will make keeping and making connections more interesting.But what happens when you have persistent status of people you know, what they are doing, where they are /were/will be? What happens over time to this data, when it becomes the past tense (was doing, was at, was with)? </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/">Doc Searls </a>has said in a previous VRM meeting that he wants to see a day when the customer can have their own TOS (terms of service) that gives them the right to &#8220;nuke my info off your system if I want to quit your proprietary aspect of data&#8221;. Outside of the NUKE option (which I think we need), what about an expiration date on my status/intention/attention/media? 15 years from now, does Johnny really want his new girlfriend to see his &#8220;Growing Up Gotti&#8221; haircut from back in the day? Are those funnel photos from the Preakness really going to be appropriate when your kid decides to &#8220;see what mom was like when she was my age&#8221;?</p>
<p>Carrying off on this point is a really great and creepy PSA out about kids and the things they are posting to the web:</p>
<p><embed><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hOwpGF1SOQM&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hOwpGF1SOQM&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object></p>
<p>It changes the game because WE ARE ALL MAINTAINING THE STATUS over our attention/intention/action as well as that of others. There are no reporters, I dont have a secretary, no one is &#8220;going to the archives&#8221; to find out what I did last week &#8211; they just need to follow my twitter feed (which is hooked up to my friendfeed and facebook and wordpress blog) to see what I was doing.  Its all in the cache/cloud/reverse chronological order. All someone needs to do is connect the dots (which is getting easier every day). </p>
<p>Your ideas, photos, comments, videos are out there, in the cloud/cache, forever. A persistent, ongoing record, distributed amongst different platforms and social graphs for the world to see. Add in face and voice recognition and that protest rally you went to in college, because that hippy chick you were dating at the time wanted you to go, might become a problem 20 years from now when you run for office, or a job, or meet a not-so-hippy chick. You didnt shoot the video, you didnt know you were on camera, yet it is part of your history. Lots of folks are getting gigs BECAUSE of their participation on these platforms. There are already stories in the &#8220;news&#8221; (and I do use the term loosely) about how kids are getting turned down for jobs because of things on their myspace page, beauty pageant contestants are losing their crowns because there are embarrassing photos of them on the web, kids are videotaping crimes to get on YouTube. </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I hope you know this will go down on your permanent record</strong><br />
- The Violent Femmes<br />
<em> Kiss Off</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Things to think about:</p>
<p>Will our past actions prevent us from trying for a job (even Vice President) because we know what closets our skeletons are in (&#8221;I told the candidate I could not accept the VP nod because I want to spend more time with my family, and because there are some raunchy pictures of me at my roommates&#8217;s bachelor party 17 years ago&#8221;)? </p>
<p>Will individuals guard their expressions more closely and be more conscious of their attention/intention/status? </p>
<p>What happens when we run into a &#8220;blank slate&#8221; who doesnt have a facebook history or is tagged in flickr sets? Will we give them the job/trust/reputation? Will they be a social media pariah? </p>
<p>Will I be able to find a &#8220;cleaner&#8221; to get rid of all traces of Spring Break 2012 in Cancun before my bride-to-be finds them? </p>
<p>Will there be a &#8220;Identity Bankruptcy Court&#8221; that will order these graphs and platforms to nuke all traces of someone? </p>
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		<title>Required Reading &#8211; Dave McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/09/10/required-reading-dave-mcclure/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Met Dave at Gnomedex and over Facebook. He also ran the Web2.0 Expo this year. 
He has some great insights into Facebook these days (he is an unapologetic fanboy)
http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2007/07/marketing-faceb.html
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Met Dave at Gnomedex and over Facebook. He also ran the Web2.0 Expo this year. </p>
<p>He has some great insights into Facebook these days (he is an unapologetic fanboy)</p>
<p><a href="http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2007/07/marketing-faceb.html">http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2007/07/marketing-faceb.html</a></p>
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		<title>Promiscuity / Diversity in Social Networks</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/07/31/promiscuity-diversity-in-social-networks/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been toying with the concepts of promiscuity and diversity when applied to Social Networks for a while now.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity
Promiscuity is the practice of making relatively unselective, casual and indiscriminate choices. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promiscuity
Diversity is the presence of a wide range of variation in the qualities or attributes under discussion.  
We make choices in how we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been toying with the concepts of promiscuity and diversity when applied to Social Networks for a while now.</p>
<blockquote><p>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity<br />
Promiscuity is the practice of making relatively unselective, casual and indiscriminate choices. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promiscuity<br />
Diversity is the presence of a wide range of variation in the qualities or attributes under discussion.  </p></blockquote>
<p>We make choices in how we connect to these spaces and places. Some are light connections and without regard and some seriously focused. Our Facebook page is where we connect with our friends and &#8220;adds&#8221;, where we have fun, add widgets that are entertaining, and annoy friends with question and movie matching requests. We might add people we just met last night at a party or barely know because this space is casual, fun, the opposite of serious in our life (until a future employer finds the keg-stand and bong photos). Our LinkedIn page is where we take things seriously. We dont post goofy photos, we dont ask stupid questions &#8211; we respect the space AND show respect for ourselves and others. We pitch in, make referrals, connect and find connections. A Band&#8217;s My Space page is their home on the web &#8211; while fun and on a more &#8220;fun&#8221; social network, its their business &#8211; the franchise. </p>
<p>Not all of my friends are in all the same networks. I am not in all of their networks. We connect and get close and pull away and break up by increments over time. There is a lot of overlap in multiple networks &#8211; between my network of friends, network of business acquaintances, network of people I kinda-know. I have folks following my twitter feed I have only met once, but have tons of conversations over time, in multiple forms. I refuse to add people I don&#8217;t know to my Facebook page. </p>
<p>Promiscuity, or having lots of relationships on lots of networks isnt a bad thing. If you only hang out with LinkedIn kids, what is the true value of your social equity? Does it make sense to be in a clique? Does it make more sense to be in multiple networks, with lots of loose and tight connections? Does that diversity in friends, viewpoints, behavior translate into something more (more social equity)? Does Moore&#8217;s law really have an effect when we look at the value of each of our social networks individually and in the aggregate?</p>
<p>Chris Messina (FactoryJoe) once wrote &#8220;a monoculture is a monotonous culture&#8221;. I think this fits really well. </p>
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		<title>&#8220;I think we can guilt them out into doing the right thing.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/06/30/i-think-we-can-guilt-them-out-into-doing-the-right-thing/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marc Canter &#8211; one of the most consistent critics of walled gardens/closed systems and the ghost towns they become hits it again with a post about subscribing to people
Well one clear way is to just ’subscribe’ to someone and then find out what they’re doing &#8211; wherever they are.  This can only be done [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc Canter &#8211; one of the most consistent critics of walled gardens/closed systems and the ghost towns they become hits it again with a post about subscribing to people</p>
<blockquote><p>Well one clear way is to just ’subscribe’ to someone and then find out what they’re doing &#8211; wherever they are.  This can only be done across vendor’s offerings &#8211; so it’s a great use case for open standards.</p></blockquote>
<p>For a while now I have been a snob of social networks. &#8220;I get it, I get it&#8221; &#8211; I would join, check out early features, and not really invest in the community while trying to get a quick read on the SN.  Understanding the theory without being invested.  Recently, thanks to having to do the research, friends (like HH) inviting me left and right and some really exciting things happening in the SN space (like Marc&#8217;s PeopleAggregator, Facebook opening up, researching SNs in different cultures) I have been getting more invested different worlds, seeing what they have to offer, learning and experiencing (badges to come). </p>
<p>The biggest frustration I have is having to make a new profile from scratch in each of these places. Because, really, my hobbies are the same if I am in facebook or myspace. I might not put my entire employment history in Facebook, but if I did, why would I want to key it or copy/paste it 2x from LinkedIn???? What happens when these data sources become out of synch (like my employment histories or hobbies between social networks)?</p>
<p>The truth Marc has been sharing is simple &#8211; open it up (platforms), be free, listen to the customer (radical idea), and anticipate what they want (&#8217;cause they dont know it &#8211; yet), let them share (on your network and others). I used to think my blog was this center of the social universe for me &#8211; and it could become that&#8230; we just arent there yet. </p>
<p> We dont have one circle of friends. We don&#8217;t have one interest. We dont have only one favorite food. We dont have one email address. We dont only like one musician or singer or group. We dont like only one kind of movie or tv show or magazine. People like choice. They like options. They don&#8217;t always make a choice &#8211; and that is a choice in itself.  They want to engage on <em>their terms</em> in the places and spaces of <em>their choice</em>. </p>
<p>The more you hold them down, lock them out, and box them in the easier it will be for them to invest (time, effort, ideas, creativity) in someone elses platform that is open. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.scripting.com/2005/12/12.html#howToMakeMoneyOnTheInternetVersion3">Dave says&#8230;</a></p>
<p>From Marc&#8217;s blog:<br />
<a href="http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/subscribing-to-people">http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/subscribing-to-people</a></p>
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		<title>checking out thew0rd.com</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/06/29/checking-out-thew0rdcom/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://thew0rd.com/
the first post I find dives into another aggregator/platform Ziki
http://thew0rd.com/2007/06/25/zikicom-releases-v2-of-their-digital-identity-management-suite/
these guys should check out the conversation Doc is leading in VRM
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thew0rd.com/">http://thew0rd.com/</a></p>
<p>the first post I find dives into another aggregator/platform Ziki</p>
<p><a href="http://thew0rd.com/2007/06/25/zikicom-releases-v2-of-their-digital-identity-management-suite/">http://thew0rd.com/2007/06/25/zikicom-releases-v2-of-their-digital-identity-management-suite/</a></p>
<p>these guys should check out the conversation Doc is leading in VRM<br />
<a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/</a></p>
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		<title>mashable rocks&#8230; Ultimate RSS Toolbox</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/06/12/mashable-rocks-ultimate-rss-toolbox/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<title>NBC Social Network?</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/05/01/nbc-social-network/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 02:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>So NBC has a text tag on their site linking to a &#8220;coming soon&#8221; page for their social network. </p>
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		<title>Cool &#8211; PodCorps.org</title>
		<link>http://www.seanbohan.com/2007/04/20/cool-podcorpsorg/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just caught a presentation from Doug Kaye (IT Conversations, Conversations Network) at Podcast Hotel about a new program he has announced  called PodCorps.org. They are looking to create a community of stringers to capture, organize and share video and audio conversations (town hall meetings, club meetings, small conferences, speeches, interviews, etc.).
They are working with:
http://eventful.com [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just caught a presentation from Doug Kaye (IT Conversations, Conversations Network) at Podcast Hotel about a new program he has announced  called PodCorps.org. They are looking to create a community of stringers to capture, organize and share video and audio conversations (town hall meetings, club meetings, small conferences, speeches, interviews, etc.).</p>
<p>They are working with:<br />
http://eventful.com for an events database and give event organizers the option to request stringers to attend and record the event, OurMedia will handle the organization and serving of the content<br />
Internet Archive will handle the hosting</p>
<p>The idea is that stringers sign up for the program and list their location and what they do (audio, video). Event organizers tag their events. PodCorps acts as a dating service putting the two together.</p>
<p>They want to grow their stringer base first.  They want to have the network in place before they can start setting up events with people. Chicken and Egg &#8211; they need stringers to attract events, and events to attract stringers.</p>
<p>here is the url:<br />
podcorps.org</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 &#8211; Licensing UGS &#8211; Von Lohmann</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ocean of Copyright uncertainty
Standing on the shoulders of angry giants
Copyright risks
Statutory Damages
 $750-150k damages
Personal Liability
for officers, directors, investors
no reliable shield against liability
everyone knows napster lawsuit
lawsuit contiued until a few months ago long since Napster went under
startups say &#8220;we will incorporate as LLC &#8211; if we lose we move on&#8221; &#8211; NOT THAT SIMPLA
LICENSING OF INPUTS
Good [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocean of Copyright uncertainty</p>
<p>Standing on the shoulders of angry giants</p>
<p>Copyright risks<br />
Statutory Damages<br />
 $750-150k damages</p>
<p>Personal Liability<br />
for officers, directors, investors<br />
no reliable shield against liability<br />
everyone knows napster lawsuit<br />
lawsuit contiued until a few months ago long since Napster went under<br />
startups say &#8220;we will incorporate as LLC &#8211; if we lose we move on&#8221; &#8211; NOT THAT SIMPLA</p>
<p>LICENSING OF INPUTS</p>
<p>Good News<br />
4 islands of certainty (Safe Harbors)<br />
DMCA Safe Harbor<br />
17 U.S.C. 512<br />
Eliminates Money Damages<br />
Limits Injunctions</p>
<p>-Take monetary damages off table<br />
limit damages to company</p>
<p>court can tell you to takedown or terminate bad users<br />
incred incentive for companies in the online space to qualify for safe harbors</p>
<p>512(a): &#8220;Conduit&#8221; Island<br />
If an ISP &#8211; just providing connectivity &#8211; you wont be resp if users use your pipes to infringe<br />
Every ISP relies on this<br />
All who provide pipes and the ping &#8211; all depend on 512(a) COnduit Island</p>
<p>512(b) Caching Safe Harbor<br />
for AOL caching activities circa 1997<br />
walled network (the way AOL was)<br />
do local caching for internal network users<br />
works only in model where users req content first<br />
doesnt do any good for akamai of the world<br />
becomes island where nothing grows</p>
<p>512(d) Seach Engine Island<br />
Information location tools<br />
infirnging website &#8211; and search engine finds it &#8211; SE may be resp for infringements &#8211; WRONG<br />
in these circumstances (with rules) SE wont be held responsible<br />
protects the act of linking in these contexts<br />
in 1997 or 98  Yahoo was directory, not spidering/search co<br />
providing a directory of links</p>
<p>512 (c)<br />
Hosting Exception<br />
if you were resp for hosting &#8211; couldnt be resp for every user and every page<br />
need protection<br />
number of hosting co&#8217;s got that protection in 1998<br />
since exception has grown with progress of internet overall<br />
Ebay has succeeded in invoking this exception</p>
<p>Dont have to be on the islands &#8211; but more uncertain (Bittorrent)<br />
no surprise when you look at internet companies &#8211; all that have clustered right on these islands of uncertainty</p>
<p>Web Hosting and Search Safe Harbors<br />
What happens when you combine both? _ Ebay &#8211; pioneer in using the law to cover new services not accounted for when the law was written<br />
Ebay &#8211; host and provide search, dont actually post</p>
<p>nowadays &#8211; unlimited co&#8217;s that provide one or both features</p>
<p>Blogs (Blogger)<br />
Music Lockering (MPRtunes)<br />
Playlist SHaring (Avvenu)<br />
Photo SHaring (Flickr)<br />
Video SHaring (YouTUbe)<br />
File Hosting (Pando)<br />
COmbos (MOG, Etc.)</p>
<p>How do you avoid being held responsible? This is how<br />
most web2.0 cos have built on these legal exceptions</p>
<p>How close to the waterline<br />
if webhost or search engine &#8211; high dry ground<br />
you are protected<br />
a lot of other businesses &#8211; not a lot of clear cases<br />
Myspace and YouTube &#8211; placing a bet they are on dry enough land they can avoid being sued</p>
<p>3. Basic features you need to do &#8211; to be on island of safety<br />
hire a lawyer for the details</p>
<p>ask yourself &#8211; when you look at new businesses &#8211; see if you recognize features<br />
1. Register a copyright agent &#8211; form + $80 check to copyright office<br />
if you dont do this &#8211; failing to do it jeopardizes your existanc eon the island<br />
list of companies &#8211; every reg form they have ever received<br />
who is on or not on list is interesting<br />
fun to see handwritten notes</p>
<p>2. Notice and Takedown<br />
certainly in post YouTube world &#8211; Viacom delivering<br />
if copyright owner complains &#8211; that piece, song, photo, belongs to me<br />
resp to take stuff down and promptly if you want to stay on the island<br />
rules copyright owners have to follow when they send a notice &#8211; must be specific<br />
cant say &#8220;make sure no copy of xxx ever appears on your website<br />
must provide specific url, actual description, number of formalities<br />
3. Infringer Termination Policy<br />
if you get a lot of complaints about a user (like 2 complaints) &#8211; law req you have in place and implement a policy for terminating infringers<br />
ToS should have a termination policy</p>
<p>How to Stay on the island<br />
2 ways to lose protection<br />
esp. in Viacom/GooTube (if it even moves forward)<br />
will continue ot come up<br />
1. Red Flag Knowledge &#8211; if you know it is going on and dont do anything about it &#8211; you will lose safe harbor<br />
2. If you are aware of facts and circumstances that would have been obvious &#8211; you are out<br />
what does that mean ? Who knows<br />
Needs clarity<br />
YouTube argues you need to tell, with specificity &#8211; where it is going on &#8211; need takedown notice<br />
Trouble &#8211; if employees spend a lot of time on the website and you fail to do anything about it<br />
What did you and your employees know?<br />
More intimate knowledge &#8211; the more risk is created<br />
More editorial, more categorization &#8211; dont want to feature something that is obviously infiringing</p>
<p>2nd Way &#8211; direct financial benefit from something that was infringing that you could have controlled<br />
More content, more eyeballs, more money<br />
YouTube best example<br />
No ads on the actual video pages of YouTube themselves &#8211; some protection<br />
User Generated and Uploaded &#8211; you will see ads everywhere else<br />
effort to make clear they are not directly benefitting from infringing videos<br />
have to control the infringement</p>
<p>Really basic architecture issues<br />
need to get a lawyer sooner rather than later</p>
<p>First Half DONE &#8211; How do you avoide having to get licenses for every single thing your users are uploading<br />
make sure you are doing the things to qual for those exemptions<br />
can do everything right and still be sued</p>
<p>LICENSING OF OUTPUTS</p>
<p>focus and highlight flickr<br />
a model for participation<br />
upload and host photos<br />
and get photos to use for other purposes<br />
been turned into great free stock photo site<br />
get out of the biz of stock photography &#8211; flickr will eat that business alive in short time</p>
<p>how does flickr do it</p>
<p>Creative COmmons Licenses<br />
Do a tremendous job<br />
support creative options<br />
CC Licenses &#8211;<br />
Attribution<br />
Att -No Derivs (use but cant change)<br />
Att &#8211; No Derivs Not Commercial<br />
Att &#8211; Non COmmercial<br />
Att Non COmmercial &#8211; Share Alike<br />
Att &#8211; Share ALike</p>
<p>Share Alike &#8211; use it but make any deriv work available</p>
<p>CC works &#8211; content curators web page<br />
directory of people already doing this </p>
<p>Podsafe music network<br />
hassle to get good music for podcasts<br />
Flickr &#8211; huge repository for images<br />
Search Funct for yahoo and google and plip<br />
meta tagging standards<br />
search facilitating tech to make it easy</p>
<p>How flickr attracts users to the website<br />
make users interested in reusers and remixers<br />
how to get creators and photogs to use CC<br />
make the licensed materials findable, useful, simple</p>
<p>Category in Flickr Adv Search &#8211; is CC licensed photos<br />
can drill down to modify and other criteria w/in CC<br />
if you can find 21k photos of Rain, all for free with attribution, or on TV or website &#8211; that will make it hard for folks to charge for it in the future &#8211;<br />
will also attract new users to flickr<br />
not just photos for the buddies &#8211; also great alt for stock photography<br />
creating new business opportunities as well<br />
Flickr &#8211; can always send a message to user &#8211; saying you love a photo &#8211; auth for non-commerical use &#8211; would like to pay &#8211; would that be OK<br />
once you attract new set of users they will find other uses for your services<br />
nice job integrating for the re-users of the world<br />
collects all CC categorites and allows you to browse based on combination</p>
<p>Vast majority of users not licensed under CC<br />
Flickr does many things in interface for creators to opt for CC<br />
need to explain licenses, use defaults intelligently, do it in batches</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Syndication technologies
Mostly ATOM &#8211; some RSS
del.icio.us/SyndicationTalk
will post to his blog
who is he
pushing data
Archi on windows live platfomr
new search tech and social media space
build better content online
3 things
Intermediate level
great to use feeds &#8211; popular consumer endpoints
button inside browser chrome
option in NYTimes to check fresh daily
avail by section
browser is a gateway
news, data, sites
desktop &#8211; outlook 2007 &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syndication technologies</p>
<p>Mostly ATOM &#8211; some RSS</p>
<p>del.icio.us/SyndicationTalk</p>
<p>will post to his blog</p>
<p>who is he</p>
<p>pushing data</p>
<p>Archi on windows live platfomr</p>
<p>new search tech and social media space</p>
<p>build better content online<br />
3 things<br />
Intermediate level</p>
<p>great to use feeds &#8211; popular consumer endpoints<br />
button inside browser chrome<br />
option in NYTimes to check fresh daily<br />
avail by section</p>
<p>browser is a gateway<br />
news, data, sites<br />
desktop &#8211; outlook 2007 &#8211; feeds built in</p>
<p>stay on top of info flows every day</p>
<p>every time you access gmail &#8211; button shows up<br />
latest messages and subjects &#8211; authenticated &#8211; build a toolbar &#8211; pull in and do notifier<br />
all the ways to do standardized format<br />
CIA and NSA talked to each other &#8211; shared intel<br />
e-govt initiative<br />
taking data flows &#8211; from ops to people they are following &#8211; how do you follow the latest<br />
e-govt initiatives</p>
<p>stat tools &#8211; measure map &#8211; update on traffic</p>
<p>TiVo &#8211; companies are unable to build all the content you want &#8211; choose 100 channels &#8211; video feed &#8211; putin the same now playin list &#8211; can take high def and put on tivo or apple tv<br />
pictures<br />
ipods<br />
alt content</p>
<p>html page with alt content<br />
link alts can expose that data</p>
<p>formats &#8211; website in formats and let them discover<br />
alt feed content<br />
all brpwsers</p>
<p>Search engine discoverability<br />
coorelate with feeds<br />
multiple choices exposed<br />
subscribe to summary feed &#8211; or cat on youtube &#8211; mult choices and engage mult places</p>
<p>IETF</p>
<p>neded these standards to come together</p>
<p>Dec 2005 &#8211; ATOM publsihed<br />
2 years in making<br />
web content and media syndication<br />
should ? must? requirement?<br />
interop for data formats and feeds<br />
opening up new meth of data transport<br />
XML namespace &#8211; feeds most popular form</p>
<p>Feed<br />
   ID<br />
   TItle<br />
   When Updated<br />
   Author</p>
<p>optional=<br />
entry<br />
link<br />
subtitle<br />
category<br />
rights<br />
logo<br />
icon<br />
generator<br />
contributor</p>
<p>each feed has multiple entries<br />
entry has required and optional elements<br />
storys or feed should have author</p>
<p>Summary and Content<br />
display not full content<br />
snippet<br />
if you output web feeds do you lose traffic?<br />
point to final url &#8211; full or abstract &#8211; text or html </p>
<p>Newspapers<br />
NYT sunday magazine<br />
what does it all mean<br />
logo<br />
title<br />
category<br />
entry<br />
entry title<br />
entry author<br />
pub date<br />
link enclosure (like attachment)<br />
related links</p>
<p>Standalone browser render environment<br />
isolated web page<br />
relative link &#8211; means nothing to a feed in the aggregator &#8211; images wont display<br />
rendering ind. browser environment<br />
same with links<br />
use inline CSS<br />
no javascript, no plugins<br />
some readers will strip content before it is stored<br />
anything that can hurt them is stored<br />
Referrer?<br />
depends on how you render</p>
<p>User interaction varies &#8211; myYahoo &#8211; pulls in things they know are feeds &#8211; updates, feeds then jump into more feeds</p>
<p>take tag URIs, take domain and take article IDs &#8211; or use URLs</p>
<p>published when initially released &#8211; updates when add or edited<br />
as you update that &#8211; layer on updated time to the post<br />
tells agg something changed in this article<br />
something significant changed<br />
determines new content instead of old</p>
<p>who are you?<br />
author or contributor &#8211; one author per story<br />
email<br />
url </p>
<p>spammers index feeds</p>
<p>why include an email? direct response/feedback</p>
<p>site your source &#8211; imp for rep and who are you<br />
give credit<br />
really like a story? subscribe as reading to the entire feed<br />
showing the stories on NYTimes &#8211; show me only this section</p>
<p>iTunes<br />
specific itunes ways<br />
duration<br />
taxonomy<br />
keywords<br />
advisories</p>
<p>pdfs synducated into itunes</p>
<p>avoid confusion of tongues problems</p>
<p>creaing something where another space is already available<br />
popular parsing libraries</p>
<p>publishing and creating own namespace &#8211; create a parser<br />
make sure the data isnt lost<br />
something not understood &#8211; all indexable<br />
feed validators</p>
<p>wc3 is more of a stable validator &#8211; no intricacies</p>
<p>Secure Feeds<br />
basecamp<br />
keeping track of current projects<br />
dont want it searchable<br />
not in bloglines or google feed search<br />
flickr scrambles url &#8211; at user and photo level<br />
when feed agg sees HTTPS &#8211; looks private<br />
agg devs dont pay attention to cache control<br />
daring fireball &#8211; membership for full feed ($20 a year) &#8211; paypal ID &#8211; auto username and password<br />
pub house could do it for current subscribers<br />
gmail &#8211; authenticated experiences</p>
<p>possible to est jabber clients whihc connect and send incremental updates via AIM &#8211; extra payload<br />
push out to app<br />
good way to push to lots and lots of clients</p>
<p>Atom vs rss2.0.1<br />
producing media files &#8211; atom not ready yet<br />
all looking at enclosures and rss<br />
adoption across the board<br />
atomtrickle down will happen<br />
web hasnt moved to xhtml 1.0 strict</p>
<p>atom engagement format 1 of 3<br />
synd<br />
pub protocal<br />
archival<br />
Atom has more standardization &#8211; more work done, more predictable behavior<br />
a roaming team of enforcers it is parsing right<br />
parsing libs also output</p>
<p>frameworks have standardized ways</p>
<p>object level</p>
<p>quick and easy way to do it</p>
<p>client support for atom from phones to desktop clients</p>
<p>still an issue for podcatchers</p>
<p>enclosure element in rss 2</p>
<p>alot of academic work around semantic web<br />
atom and rss 2 most pop and widely adopted<br />
FOAF and social networks via rdf &#8211; we have moved on<br />
rss1 camp into atom</p>
<p>ATOM allows per entry copyright<br />
define within atom<br />
all rights belong to oreilly<br />
pub houses &#8211; list mult contribs</p>
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		<title>Building awesome websites and services using the power of happy users &#8211; Panel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ted rheingold
dogster and catster
no more shrinkwrap software
have changes live within a day
customers know it &#8211; you know it
panel
Josh Schacter
founder of Del.ici.ous &#8211; Yahoo, dir of engineering
Biz Stone &#8211; founder of Obvious Corp (twitter) &#8211; odeo, blogger, xanga
Stewart Butterfield &#8211; founder of flickr, ludicorp
roles that customers can play in dev of software
beta testing
software dev with apis
graphic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ted rheingold<br />
dogster and catster</p>
<p>no more shrinkwrap software<br />
have changes live within a day<br />
customers know it &#8211; you know it</p>
<p>panel</p>
<p>Josh Schacter<br />
founder of Del.ici.ous &#8211; Yahoo, dir of engineering</p>
<p>Biz Stone &#8211; founder of Obvious Corp (twitter) &#8211; odeo, blogger, xanga</p>
<p>Stewart Butterfield &#8211; founder of flickr, ludicorp</p>
<p>roles that customers can play in dev of software<br />
beta testing<br />
software dev with apis<br />
graphic and creative design<br />
writing and uploading and submitting content &#8211; participatory web<br />
product roadmap<br />
research<br />
where to go &#8211; what do you want<br />
customer service<br />
talent pools<br />
WOM<br />
vounteers, guardians, evangelists<br />
USers want to help and make it better</p>
<p>why do they want to do this? how to get them started</p>
<p>How do you know customers want to be inv. &#8211; how do you let them know? community or prod first? chicken and egg</p>
<p>BS &#8211; need product first, how do you let cust know you are available<br />
twitter.com &#8211; has phone number on contact us page &#8211; wont scale but really works<br />
always out there &#8211; reading and commenting &#8211; emailing, have a prod and excited &#8211; the enthusiasm &#8211; they cansee it and get in touch</p>
<p>JS &#8211; second version of single user system<br />
wanted it for himself<br />
useful to him<br />
wrote it &#8211; was the first customer as well<br />
people started showing &#8211; not just a product, but the prod was the marketing<br />
useful &#8211; connect to other places and systems</p>
<p>SB &#8211; no predetermined plan to list users in feedback loops &#8211; think that the way the team wanted to operate<br />
building ways to let users part.<br />
flickr has open forum<br />
craigslist is bigger ex<br />
a lot of big websites get too big to have some open space for people to comm stuff<br />
what would it be like if amazon did</p>
<p>big obsessions at flickr &#8211; how do we keep same level of interaction and openness and keep scaling</p>
<p>some people wont shut up if they care</p>
<p>venue to tell AT&#038;T what you think of their service&#8230; ha ha</p>
<p>must be places for people to talk about amazon</p>
<p>ebay has a number of place</p>
<p>bustling communities around</p>
<p>JS &#8211; when peopel say something in public they are afraid other cust will see it &#8211; need to deal more quickly &#8211; transparency</p>
<p>no forums on delicious &#8211; mailing list and blog</p>
<p>partially for design considerations</p>
<p>TR &#8211; will people use the service? will they use it if i made the API first<br />
early on you need to decide &#8211; work or not? &#8211; people say lots of feedback is the key indicator it weall work?</p>
<p>JS &#8211; cant build without being in constant connect with the user<br />
a lot of the direction is guided by what do I want<br />
how do I use as a product</p>
<p>still has incoming email copied to bberry</p>
<p>BS &#8211; feedback reinforces what you do</p>
<p>TR &#8211; no users helped him write it &#8211; werent that geeky but were willin to help with beta and finding spelling areas and other features</p>
<p>JS &#8211; why you have the APIs &#8211; build the features you think are great but cant prioritize<br />
lot of things wouldnt make his list<br />
APIs let those capable try it out and you can seeit  and sometimes work better than you could expect</p>
<p>TR &#8211; what motivates people to contribute<br />
increasing and working on bottom line<br />
what motivates them?</p>
<p>SB &#8211; recognition and acknowledgement &#8211; beliefs, and aesthetic, they have them<br />
people who write and on some topic &#8211; getting some reco back is always key<br />
getitng comments back &#8211; to favorites<br />
social activity &#8211; the bigges tthing overall &#8211; ops at different levels</p>
<p>use API, cool idea, make it public, others see it &#8211; validate</p>
<p>people dev off thr flickr api can be compensated</p>
<p>what else motivates peopple &#8211; others helpful and ernest &#8211; spend their own time helping for helpings sake &#8211; not about gold star ack</p>
<p>BS &#8211; doing it for val of co. &#8211; disappointed &#8211; why arent you paying me for this<br />
comes down for social interaction</p>
<p>dogster and catster &#8211; nothing like it on the planet</p>
<p>TR &#8211; do you feel beholden to the users? let them down or make company or biz decisions that include what they have done for you</p>
<p>JS &#8211; pos value for you, the users? must eval each step<br />
many times had to watch the right thing to do for each<br />
would like to have all the data there<br />
old days &#8211; nice to be free and open but then there is reality (scraping and crashing servers)<br />
Delicious between pubs and users<br />
seen delicious button on newspapers &#8211; pubs want to presupply tags &#8211; makes it harder for users to remember stuff but makes for better prod serv for the user<br />
aggregate behavior is better for all &#8211; hard to tell users you are doing something they dont want if it is better in the aggregate</p>
<p>SB &#8211; people like to contribute</p>
<p>when considering an acq before it happened &#8211; the acq companies respect for the users and the place they hold for the users</p>
<p>SB &#8211; corp development &#8211; sometimes strat, sometimes just M&#038;A &#8211; couple of diff groups interested in flickr &#8211; search, photos<br />
no one wanted to screw it up<br />
badass former banker didnt want it screwed up &#8220;you have 200k users &#8211; possibly the most important 200k on the internet&#8221;</p>
<p>sometuimes there is a concern from Yahoo that goes beyond callous approach</p>
<p>BS &#8211; blogger getting acq by google &#8211; stepped up comm with users<br />
was there concern beforehand that wouldnt be the case?</p>
<p>small team &#8211; workign hard &#8211; even afterwards a struggle to switch over<br />
allowing him to join team opened dialog<br />
knew why features were coming and when<br />
meant a lot to the users &#8211; to help them</p>
<p>Kaliya &#8211; who are you when you show up and who are you when things change</p>
<p>flickr cutover highlited &#8211; engineers and companies saw registration and authent as authent &#8211; and people see it as identity</p>
<p>ID is tied to authentication</p>
<p>in deliciious your login is your ID (bad design decision from a number of standpoints &#8211; way off in the future</p>
<p>TR &#8211; do you have cust part of a special group to go to ?</p>
<p>JS &#8211; yahoo group where people sign up and they talk to them &#8211; will toss out stuff, ideas, very user facing &#8211; try to get diff viewpoints<br />
pretty helpful<br />
nice</p>
<p>active when he was runngn things alone</p>
<p>couple people good thermometers<br />
some who use flickr as utility &#8211; will use as blogs &#8211; serious amateurs or hobbyist photogs<br />
def certain people to go to<br />
common pattern where people sign up and add a photo or two and dont come back for months<br />
some learn to love it &#8211; where the bumps are on that path &#8211; take analytic approaches for state of users, 2x week or once every 3 months<br />
really really hard</p>
<p>listening solely to the people who love it</p>
<p>weird or confusing &#8211; flickr terminology<br />
ones who are willing to speak already love it</p>
<p>BS &#8211; do the analytics too<br />
do a friends of twitter group &#8211; who can release a halfbaked feature on for feedback<br />
have an non trad feedback loop</p>
<p>TR &#8211; early on would you release half baked b/c you had so few users or was it always bulletproof from the get-go</p>
<p>JS  &#8211; do it, feel the effects quickly &#8211; 3 releases a week &#8211; to push every fix &#8211; more on scalabilty side than UI side &#8211; new UI will be very painful<br />
originally &#8211; code on the live site</p>
<p>difficult to make change in dir &#8211; everything we do we do very fast &#8211; must make it go fast &#8211; could be a couple of weeks for db or hardware<br />
becomes difficult to maintain pace of iteration and scale at the same time<br />
in Yahoo &#8211; there is res for QA and stuff &#8211; do test before they go out the door<br />
difficult to get coverage and stuff</p>
<p>BS &#8211; when he said half baked &#8211; meant really 1/2 baked. the stuff is always breaking &#8211; this blogger is labs</p>
<p>SB<br />
still does 1/2 baked stuff &#8211; launched 3 yrs ago &#8211; nothing in common with flickr today<br />
very very rapid interation<br />
partly 1/2 b/c new cat features &#8211; ABC &#8211; super urgent priorities &#8211; huge queue of stuff<br />
fastest turnaround &#8211; 2 yrs ago<br />
screwed up childhood &#8211; doesnt adjust well to change &#8211; put it back &#8211; heard a hundred times now</p>
<p>BS<br />
reacing out to users &#8211; all at blogger &#8211; on their chatting with caterina</p>
<p>interaction pays off</p>
<p>social feedback to become a user &#8211; early on caterina and other founders welcomed everyone &#8211; each you could get over a threshold is someone who could be pushed further</p>
<p>people who signed in first foour months &#8211; when all new everyone else &#8211; 90% were still around</p>
<p>BS &#8211; when using blogger and pyra<br />
setup and started using it<br />
Ev linked to it &#8211; people really linked to it<br />
turned xanga into a weblogging community<br />
reading twittershuge influence on him</p>
<p>TR &#8211; do all expect no matter how big will keep involved with comm with customers?</p>
<p>BS &#8211; if you love your job, yes</p>
<p>JS<br />
API alleviate a great deal<br />
delivious not about the code but the scale</p>
<p>not hard to build features but make it go fdast &#8211; what is the way to do this thing fast<br />
alot of the way was doing things in mysql well &#8211; stuff people ask for &#8211; not that they cant do it &#8211; things that are in their lexicon or expect -can we sort things alpha &#8211; we provide way to do it &#8211; need to help them use it<br />
people ask for stars &#8211; why bookmark something that is only one star<br />
ask for things they expect &#8211; even though it works fine without them<br />
have to force or cram down the engineers throats &#8211; letting people hack and add lots of stuff could be weakness and not strenghts<br />
soemtimes see stuff that is way better &#8211; can i use this? sure.<br />
way to explore territory in feature space that lets you avoid some exploratory groping that doesnt work out<br />
people ask for stuff &#8211; have prob, dont know solution, but ask for somethign weird or nearby<br />
cant verbalize what they really meant<br />
pretty sure flickr and twitter is simple<br />
succeed by getting users to the door &#8211; which things to add and not add<br />
about scale &#8211; number 1 req on agg data &#8211; what are the most bookmarked sites<br />
1. &#8211; not surprising<br />
2 &#8211; someoen will try to get on that list</p>
<p>not missing b/c they dont wan tthem to do it, but dont want to reinforce bad behavior</p>
<p>BS  &#8211; twitter fan wiki<br />
twitter- purposefully simple<br />
APIs &#8211; seen a lot of activity &#8211; if new to API, easy to build<br />
twitter fan wiki &#8211; people who like twitter &#8211; org cool api projects<br />
get ideas, contact people<br />
having them build those things helps immensely<br />
not on them to help<br />
keep our core service running and point them</p>
<p>question &#8211; how did you spread word early?</p>
<p>JS &#8211; delicious could post to blogs<br />
found rss is hugely useful API and marketing way to continue to give someone a way to be updated &#8211; anything that can does use rss<br />
1/2 of traffic is RSS</p>
<p>BS &#8211; 1/2 of traffic is api</p>
<p>SB &#8211; a platform is easy to get with photos<br />
easy to get in and outhost from flickr to the blog<br />
doesnt know the current ratio outside flickr &#8211; over 1 bil served/day massive source of traffic</p>
<p>TR &#8211; Hiring expensive &#8211; do you hire from your communtiy?</p>
<p>SB &#8211; hired many from the community<br />
tech support specialist qa guy &#8211; looked at the forum and found someone good<br />
preference is to always hire from within the community<br />
engineering team &#8211; higher than avg sensitivity to good software design and usability<br />
attuned to the needs of the community</p>
<p>BS &#8211; everyone hired has been a user<br />
hasnt seen them as a superuser<br />
all be users &#8211; def red flag if they never signed up<br />
10 or 20 hr project first to see if they like them</p>
<p>JS &#8211; consult for a month and if we like we will hire you<br />
one guy write a book on delicious before he was hired</p>
<p>first job was changing the api so his book was no longer correct</p>
<p>BS &#8211; hired at blogger because he was a user</p>
<p>Question &#8211; at what point do you ask &#8211; should i be exposing the future plan/roadmap?</p>
<p>JS &#8211; doesnt think that far in advance<br />
a lot is how he feels about feature &#8211; is excited, will fit, easy to do, least implementation, lazy<br />
struggle with scale and # of transactions<br />
firefox extension who hit sys every few seconds<br />
stuff like yahoos expertise cam in handy<br />
all about what scales<br />
more about working towards each diff thing<br />
features easy once you have the underlying technology<br />
tries to be communicative<br />
will tell why things wont happen<br />
1 emails a day saying how people shoudld vote on how others get to use tags<br />
difficult to reply to &#8211; against wha tthey are trying to do</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 &#8211; Badges and Widgets &#8211; Hinchcliffe</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[DIY trends
Small is the new big
Atomization of content and objects and platforms
for a large class of problems &#8211; dont need a web dev &#8211; pull it together off the shelf
home depot concept &#8211; dont need a contractor
for a lot of problems you can solve yourself
bake this deeply into the core of your web apps
apps becoming [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DIY trends<br />
Small is the new big<br />
Atomization of content and objects and platforms</p>
<p>for a large class of problems &#8211; dont need a web dev &#8211; pull it together off the shelf<br />
home depot concept &#8211; dont need a contractor<br />
for a lot of problems you can solve yourself</p>
<p>bake this deeply into the core of your web apps<br />
apps becoming platforms &#8211; getitng off the site &#8211; security to liability to scalability</p>
<p>DIY era</p>
<p>things like blogs and wiki give us a channel on the web<br />
self expression highly social</p>
<p>Ease of consuption a big piece of it</p>
<p>still making fairly hard to do something useful<br />
ease of use and consumption</p>
<p>sometimes a javascript or flash plugin</p>
<p>WPF/E &#8211; shipping with vista and capable</p>
<p>more than flash</p>
<p>atomizing diff ways</p>
<p>dont have standard terminology</p>
<p>do have directories &#8211; being solved quicckly now</p>
<p>open platforms not standalone apps</p>
<p>deeply expressing the platform</p>
<p>implications for product quality<br />
spreading your product beyond the vendors you site<br />
APIs &#8211; app prog interfaces &#8211; nonvisual part of widgets and badges &#8211; need programmers to use</p>
<p>End user friendly &#8211; the next step</p>
<p>you will atomize and build on top of others</p>
<p>google maps most popular ajax widgets &#8211; compelling<br />
spent 10s of millions dev and improving</p>
<p>building on the shoulders of giants</p>
<p>need to be bringing best of breed from others</p>
<p>GLOBAL SOA</p>
<p>SL uses Amazon S3</p>
<p>to be competitive</p>
<p>self help to deploy now</p>
<p>Wdigets &#8211; on the web in ajax or flash<br />
Badges &#8211; displays of content pulled under cover of other sites<br />
Gadgets &#8211; more formal widget models from google and MS</p>
<p>bring in diff widgets and feeds to do things<br />
surreounded with content and cross-relate<br />
create mashups </p>
<p>counter terrorism and disaster management &#8211; create a blog for each disaster with widgets for sal displays, info, calls into disaster center &#8211; will report on what is going on<br />
where to go and look</p>
<p>natural platform<br />
bring in other views and feeds</p>
<p>exploit SOAs and aggregate the functionality</p>
<p>not just content &#8211; functionality aggregation</p>
<p>send email to get the slides for the widget talk</p>
<p>copy and paste is key aspect</p>
<p>single line javascript includes<br />
object/embed tags in flash</p>
<p>connect to undelying sites to provide value<br />
have business model baked deeply<br />
driving traffic, content consumption, advertising</p>
<p>Widget Business Model</p>
<p>WHat makes widgets powerful</p>
<p>functional and content PORTABLE</p>
<p>users do the work to broaden their distribution<br />
supply mashups and hosting</p>
<p>make it a foundation of others success</p>
<p>forming real business relationships</p>
<p>good widgets hard to find &#8211; not seeing as much as youcould</p>
<p>widgets take a long time<br />
simple apps &#8211; readers, plan vaca this way<br />
use myspace quite a bit</p>
<p>developers and pro sumers &#8211; build web apps themselves</p>
<p>widgets may gen more traffic for you but hard to say</p>
<p>google gadgets for web pages<br />
provide functionality directly<br />
good resource</p>
<p>Microsoft Live Gallery<br />
MS major web2.0 plays<br />
roaming on the web for apps and data<br />
desktop and web gadgets</p>
<p>WidgetBox<br />
sense that shows what is taking place<br />
diff categories</p>
<p>Myspace widgets<br />
lists of widgets can be widgets</p>
<p>Recent Stories<br />
YouTube video badge<br />
highly viral<br />
what web2.0 tools work &#8211; radically simple<br />
1 button, 1 field to edit &#8211; eminently obvious &#8211; viral aspect should be as obvious</p>
<p>use web as a content billboard</p>
<p>never be as big as the web</p>
<p>dont take users intelligence for granted</p>
<p>google adwords widget &#8211; most successful in internet history<br />
drives majority of googles ad rev</p>
<p>80% of goog rev comes from advertising<br />
80% of ad comes from displays of their ad widget</p>
<p>99% of ads displayed on their ad network</p>
<p>understanding motivation to offer to users<br />
will cut in for piece of the action<br />
piece there resp for helping google become co with lgst market cap in history</p>
<p>big thing</p>
<p>treating the web like older platforms &#8211; rules are all different</p>
<p>leveraging the strengths of networks &#8211; if you have something great it will spread</p>
<p>army of millions to spread your products</p>
<p>amazon looking at api space<br />
amazon built their own platform for themselves and used it once &#8211; then opened and got 50k other business  to work with it</p>
<p>will you leave the majority of the value of your online and services untapped</p>
<p>you can build with yahoo just by cutting and pasting</p>
<p>APIs? if you need the visual component of it</p>
<p>Amazon &#8211; lgst based on API sales</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 Accessibility 2.0 &#8211; Matt May</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even if you meet the specs and still trap users you are not accessible
at a high level javascript isnt accessible &#8211; but not really
Best indicator of accessible content is valid, semantically accessible html
many of the great web2.0 sites have valid, well managed html
if you are still developing without using the modern approach, it will be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you meet the specs and still trap users you are not accessible</p>
<p>at a high level javascript isnt accessible &#8211; but not really</p>
<p>Best indicator of accessible content is valid, semantically accessible html<br />
many of the great web2.0 sites have valid, well managed html</p>
<p>if you are still developing without using the modern approach, it will be a strike against you for accessibility</p>
<p>maintenance and new features also a problem &#8211; mastery of html and css is critical</p>
<p>Unobtrusive Scripting<br />
script is living sep from the doc itself<br />
good thing is that you can dev your scripting, pull it out and test with or without it &#8211; one of many ways you can make sure the core is working well</p>
<p>if you can take the script, pull it out and the site flow is still intact you are still getting closer to functional accessibility</p>
<p>no silver bullets<br />
auto tools only as good as users<br />
policy puts focus in the wrong place<br />
cms and app frameworks intro own problems</p>
<p>make it easy for the devs and the interface and the content devs to do the right thing &#8211; not forced, but led to the right thing<br />
important &#8211; when adding an image, make sure there is alt text<br />
at the point that someone can do the wrong thing, make it easier to do the right thing</p>
<p>deisnging for people</p>
<p>for every blind user there are 10 more that cant read at 20/20</p>
<p>mom is the benchmark</p>
<p>2.5 mil cant grasp or handle small objects &#8211; cant handle a mouse with any precision</p>
<p>video sites &#8211; it becomes an enormous issue<br />
talking about huge population of people who are missing out on a lot of this content</p>
<p>group in Utah &#8211; WebAIm &#8211; excellent webaim.com &#8211; excellent research &#8211; talk about cognitive problmes &#8211; 6 areas<br />
memory , problem solving, attention, reading and lang, math, visual comprehension<br />
nothing diff &#8211; simple principles of human-computer interaction</p>
<p>not talking about small group not interacting with the web anyway</p>
<p>18-64 numbers<br />
outside of the range &#8211; up to 4 mil of all americans that cant grasp small objects<br />
easier to use keyboard</p>
<p>Labeling<br />
when we are creating labels &#8211; acc is about dealing with the disabled</p>
<p>underreporting of disabled<br />
text only sites &#8211; funct equivalent is ghetto-ization<br />
taking these people, and marginalizing<br />
problem talkin about acc as the people who have disabilities</p>
<p>few people diagnosed with one or another will come out and self segment<br />
imp &#8211; they are people<br />
make sure that the us vs them isnt whats comign to mind &#8211; think enabling based on capabilities and helping them to work around their limitations</p>
<p>AJAX accessibility<br />
a lot of progress<br />
some of the best javascript devs in the web field are accessibility advocates<br />
building frameworks that most people are using to create ajax based sites<br />
good news about whats going on<br />
we are used to having people like that dev</p>
<p>People who brought you<br />
ray kurzweil speech synth in the 1970s</p>
<p>Universal remote control is a movement to accessibility</p>
<p>check out acc functions on your OS (OSX zoom function)</p>
<p>Ditectly accessibile AJAX</p>
<p>XHTML2 becoming more interesting<br />
WC3 roadmap for access<br />
ARIA &#8211; how we will work with these technologies<br />
runs the gamus of wc3 tech<br />
the way things are progressing</p>
<p>AJax as enabler<br />
LMS with ajax as its core</p>
<p>working on it at all levels of the stack<br />
making sure these things will be easier to use tomorrow than today</p>
<p>Youtube resp for offering ways for content to be captured<br />
video.google.com/videocaption</p>
<p>making it easy to caption or audio desc is critical &#8211; standardization is the next steps</p>
<p>skip links useful and take no effort<br />
keyboard op is huge</p>
<p>Twitter<br />
great interface<br />
likes it alot<br />
works without script<br />
can resize text<br />
any number of ways to access and add content<br />
socialize with one another<br />
fatal problem &#8211; captcha<br />
captcha one of the things that frustrates to no end &#8211; such opp and instead, by making a simple decision, you have shut people out<br />
visual verification is a pandoras box<br />
pushing away more users than you are keeping away the bots<br />
what about script</p>
<p>a lot going on &#8211; a screenreader built for firefox<br />
excited to see what is going on in modern acc development</p>
<p>Juicy Studio &#8211; blogger who does amazing work with this tech</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 -Tagging &#8211; Thomas Vander Wal</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Vander Wal
Tagging
Taxonomy
Social Web Scaling
what is a tag?
simple meta data
used for sorting
hook for aggregatinig
identifier or description
personal marker
more than 1 tag on an object
History of tagging
Lotus Magellan &#8211; 87-90
desktop
DOS world
meta data to files and annotate, add context, not really networking
using sneakernet
handing off files
good way to add context
pull info back together
more networked world
compuserve
files and adding keywords &#8211; [...]]]></description>
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<p>Tagging<br />
Taxonomy<br />
Social Web Scaling</p>
<p>what is a tag?<br />
simple meta data<br />
used for sorting<br />
hook for aggregatinig<br />
identifier or description<br />
personal marker</p>
<p>more than 1 tag on an object</p>
<p>History of tagging</p>
<p>Lotus Magellan &#8211; 87-90<br />
desktop<br />
DOS world<br />
meta data to files and annotate, add context, not really networking<br />
using sneakernet<br />
handing off files<br />
good way to add context<br />
pull info back together<br />
more networked world<br />
compuserve<br />
files and adding keywords &#8211; only 255 keywords<br />
the sysop could replace tags &#8211; breaking the peoples means of finding that info &#8211; that they tagged<br />
compuserve got lots of feedback from devs<br />
really want their own metadata and keywords to keep track of what they found and added</p>
<p>personalization &#8211; track info back to yourself</p>
<p>Bitsy<br />
signup for account and tag with URI<br />
Cory Doctrow &#8211; MetaCrap</p>
<p>2003/2004 &#8211; Del.ici.ous &#8211; started and growing<br />
flickr too<br />
taggin in networked/web environment<br />
what do we call this </p>
<p>the f word &#8211; FOLKSONOMY</p>
<p>apple and iphoto and add your personal tags and make them social tags<br />
social and personal lines blurring (sometimes both sometimes just personal)<br />
more or </p>
<p>tagging for those consuming the information</p>
<p>Value &#8211; external derived from own vocab and adding meaning</p>
<p>whats going on based on where and how they are brought up<br />
will add that info<br />
all have our own window &#8211; tagging lets us put hooks on that info</p>
<p>all about the individual</p>
<p>the less you think of what tag &#8211; the more you can retrieve and refine</p>
<p>removing a tag &#8211; removing one or may peoples means of getting back to info</p>
<p>Folksonomy triad &#8211; object, metadata, identity<br />
most people applying perspective thru their own lens</p>
<p>relationship between object and ID is interest &#8211; making  a specific connection</p>
<p>one of the three legs from the stool to pivot</p>
<p>vocab between community and meta and community and identity &#8211; you start opening the box to connection and definition &#8211; social networking and web begin to work</p>
<p>community is tagging audi things, clothing, pen sets &#8211; may or may not be interest<br />
interest around same term<br />
obj and relationship wiht the tag in the same manner</p>
<p>use communtiy and id as an anchor &#8211; using same tags on objects &#8211; algorithms doing smart search </p>
<p>pivots and connections used intelligently</p>
<p>folksonomy vs taxonomy</p>
<p>library sci &#8211; love tax &#8211; see folks as a threat</p>
<p>see folks as a threat &#8211; bottom up vs top down<br />
what we call things across </p>
<p>tax expensive to build and out of date</p>
<p>common is the product and the obj in the middle</p>
<p>ID gaps in the tax &#8211; include the terms where there are gaps &#8211; look at spikes and say &#8220;Oh&#8221; makes it inclusive &#8211; find the gaps</p>
<p>Business Tensions<br />
Naming control vs peoples vocab<br />
Sample groups vs every perspective (really getting all persp. &#8211; all that you may not have considered<br />
inhouse vs outside (home brewed vs del.icious or others)<br />
knowd dollar value &#8211; w/ unknown dollar value</p>
<p>bussiness gains &#8211; internet<br />
target message lang need and taste<br />
opening up communication<br />
what the interests are<br />
explicit statement on the part of the user &#8211; i digg this &#8211; why i value this or not &#8211; better understanding of customers &#8211; pos or neg &#8211; helpful when you figure out who what when where why</p>
<p>Intranet<br />
 improves refindability<br />
refinidng is hugely not being addressed issue<br />
lacking tools &#8211; tagging tools that do it well close the gap<br />
helps understand context &#8211; getting to common vocab<br />
connecting silos<br />
ease of sharing resources by perspective<br />
similar interests and experienc over that</p>
<p>Scaling</p>
<p>COld Start Problem<br />
need somewhere to start<br />
Scaling and FUnctionality<br />
people vs times object tagged<br />
many people tagging with few times &#8211; dont see scaling &#8211; not that useful<br />
few people with many things &#8211; skewed perspective<br />
a. works for personal use &#8211; delicious lesson &#8211; maintain bookmarks and annotate and refine<br />
social tools dont work well beyond<br />
b Serendipity &#8211; not perfect tool, not more mature<br />
c Powerful &#8211; search working, seeing trends </p>
<p>Phases of interaction<br />
saving and tagging<br />
refinding<br />
clicking pivoting</p>
<p>Personal to Social</p>
<p>As much of 28% of people on the web has taggged</p>
<p>shfit from gen categorization to actual tagging<br />
trends similar to rss<br />
more powerful &#8211; beyond alphas  to 2nd stage adopters</p>
<p>why tag?<br />
Reasons people tag?<br />
Own value<br />
Add perspective context<br />
refindability<br />
State of interest<br />
Sociality</p>
<p>Biggest reasons &#8211; own value and refindability</p>
<p>Spheres of Sociality<br />
Personal (web services, things that matter)<br />
Selective (we are selective vs everyone here &#8211; people we</p>
<p>Tools need all 4 layers when in dev phase</p>
<p>Social Context<br />
Personal &#8211; Capture<br />
Social &#8211; Share<br />
Hook/Copy &#8211; Point<br />
Annotate &#8211; COllab<br />
Refins &#8211; Filter<br />
Privacy &#8211; trusted groups</p>
<p>Shape of Tags<br />
where do people tag<br />
social &#8211; deliv<br />
viddler &#8211; tag at certain bookmarks &#8211; in video</p>
<p>Wherever there is a digital obj or marker &#8211; they are tagging<br />
People using tag services<br />
tagging<br />
descriptions &#8211; and long free text annotation &#8211; more than just tags, feeds to info, interfaces to diff svces</p>
<p>commas work well for western euro lang &#8211; others dont have that delimeter &#8211; text box for each item works well</p>
<p>scanning is big with tags</p>
<p>collective approach &#8211; when you look at selective &#8211; seeing contacts of people you know with perspective similar to your own</p>
<p>what the collective vs mob vs your network can reduce the tsunami</p>
<p>groups another way to filter, segment</p>
<p>filtering and clustering &#8211; flickr does well &#8211; find things similar and grouping </p>
<p>tag combinations &#8211; raw sugaar &#8211; takes trad taxonomy and clusters together &#8211; adding and defining context</p>
<p>helps to filter</p>
<p>Library thing &#8211; culture &#8211; variations and related info (related based on community?)</p>
<p>algorithmic approach &#8211; interestingness from flickr</p>
<p>Tag Cloud<br />
not overly fond of tag cloud &#8211; dont work well with real people<br />
notfinding relevance  &#8211; wont come back to the site &#8211; nothing of interest &#8211; flat list works better &#8211; easier for pattern matching</p>
<p>tag clouds best work on granular items</p>
<p>works really well as descriptor</p>
<p>SHopping &#8211; Amazon &#8211; art of the pivot done well</p>
<p>discomusic.com top pick</p>
<p>people can find recommendations this entity has and works well &#8211; nav the amazon site and get rep points</p>
<p>tagging is a feature not focus &#8211; secondary order of functionality</p>
<p>Easy tagging with amazon<br />
 &#8211; taggin is yes no</p>
<p>What Is Going On<br />
I want social web and tagging<br />
kevin federline page on amazon<br />
person making a social statement</p>
<p>talentless page on amazon</p>
<p>Improvements &#8211; things not going well yet<br />
value of tagging for non taggers<br />
volatility of tag objects<br />
tethering needed<br />
when we point to things and change them (updated, changed,) &#8211; what happens &#8211; pointed to similar, or archives</p>
<p>Social Networking &#8211; broadline friends<br />
Interoperability &#8211; desktop, laptop, push to delicious, flickr<br />
Tag Commons &#8211; meta data do we need and looking at interop more successfully</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 &#8211; Privacy and User Generated Content &#8211; Lauren Gelman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Law, Society, Information technology and people
Privacy &#8211; a lot of interesting things happening in the tech cpace
cyberlaw.stanford.edu
Web2.0 is about controlling data &#8211; 4.13.07
Its about data, who owns and controls, and who gives best access to
Still in early stages b/c data isnt owned yet
when a company is a bounty of new resources &#8211; at a philosophical [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law, Society, Information technology and people</p>
<p>Privacy &#8211; a lot of interesting things happening in the tech cpace</p>
<p>cyberlaw.stanford.edu</p>
<p>Web2.0 is about controlling data &#8211; 4.13.07</p>
<p>Its about data, who owns and controls, and who gives best access to<br />
Still in early stages b/c data isnt owned yet</p>
<p>when a company is a bounty of new resources &#8211; at a philosophical level &#8211; and generally what law regulates</p>
<p>question &#8211; who is the part in the best position to make decisions about how to treat data?<br />
goivt, technologists, entrepreneurs</p>
<p>how we think about privacy is extraordinarily important</p>
<p>User&#8217;s privacy experienc is a combo of law an tech</p>
<p>nothing bad for privacy</p>
<p>what kind of society do we create </p>
<p>providing info to one company for one purpose &#8211; but used by another for another purpose<br />
how cool you can tell company where you are and they will connect you with people in the same place  &#8211; give co the info &#8211; provide with the service &#8211; tracking whereever you are</p>
<p>that info is valuable<br />
how do we think about diff between privacy question and the secondary question of how info transfers beyond initial transaction</p>
<p>another issue &#8211; permanence of the data</p>
<p>can everyone have access (not just rich parties) but also &#8211; how does it turn people off from participating<br />
what are the reprecussions down the line</p>
<p>&#8220;I dont want to play anymore&#8221;</p>
<p>link between online and offline ID</p>
<p>how are we combining info with how they are doing things online wiht their offline identity</p>
<p>how to dev a sep ID for themselves online<br />
keep distinct</p>
<p>comes up in community websites &#8211; you know your neighbor b/c you have relationship &#8211; what happens when you know a lot more  &#8211; how does that change our social relationships</p>
<p>whether the market is thebest way to judge consumer privacy concerns<br />
ID theft credtcard fraud<br />
downstream effects displaced in time<br />
notice at point of transcation</p>
<p>Massive societal, technology changes</p>
<p>google-doubleclick deal</p>
<p>think about advertising in the traditional model &#8211; i know a certain type of </p>
<p>tech allows it &#8211; but is there value? businesses like targeting, is the connection of the ID with the data opens possibility for people who want to access more info about individuals</p>
<p>massive societal change to resooirtboundaries</p>
<p>ability to buy with anonymity gives you a freedom that you dont get when you have to attach ID</p>
<p>web2.0 and kids &#8211; not as able to judge downstream effects &#8211; is there a corp obligation to think about this when you enable kids to do things</p>
<p>loss of control for those &#8211; who uses and how it is used</p>
<p>harm &#8211; someone cant get mortgage because of identity theft</p>
<p>occupies entire life</p>
<p>constitution &#8211; overarching question<br />
data you collect &#8211; someone may come asking for it at some point<br />
respobsible, good corp citizen<br />
if you have it, someone can come and get it<br />
when you think aboutthe context of thhe user experience &#8211; that is part of it<br />
privacy what the expectation is<br />
set by the market &#8211; what people exp in the world<br />
frames how courts and judges eval techhnologies<br />
what was the exp. when they engaged</p>
<p>when you build and enable collection &#8211; would you feel comfortable</p>
<p>what internal protections do you have? so many problems not about externals &#8211; its about people internally not well trained in how to manage process and keep it safe</p>
<p>great arch to protect privacy<br />
and then a CS person gives out info</p>
<p>who are the people and how are they trained</p>
<p>building privacy in &#8211;<br />
how is data live<br />
how do you cue people to being tracked<br />
opt-in or opt-out</p>
<p>collection of info &#8211; who holds, third parties &#8211; how long kept, personalized &#8211; which country, and laws that are covered there</p>
<p>data or communications</p>
<p>Innovate in privacy</p>
<p>how to survive those big press events<br />
privacy policy generator &#8211; where2.0 conf<br />
giving info &#8211; give more practical tools</p>
<p>internet app that will allow you to go to website and ask questions<br />
taking thru the process to create policy </p>
<p>harvard &#8211; ToS at Berkman<br />
Cyberlaw doing privacy</p>
<p>David Hornik &#8211; VC &#8211; concerned about privacy implications</p>
<p>see what kind of advice they are giving the clients</p>
<p>would like to shop based on peoples privacy policy</p>
<p>doesnt make those choices &#8211; companies dont realize she isnt interested &#8211; dont build to the need b/c they dont know</p>
<p>informed choice &#8211; useful to your company<br />
explanation of provisions</p>
<p>graphical tags &#8211; to allow groups to endorse and machine readable &#8211; that allows you to find thru semantic search</p>
<p>tool to reduce repetitive work<br />
point of reference</p>
<p>social scientists and researchers</p>
<p>more standardization in the market</p>
<p>commentary cards (why wouldnt all of this tie into OpenID?)</p>
<p>need to know this can be connected back to a person&#8217;s name<br />
need to notify them of that</p>
<p>back end &#8211; simple db &#8211; output gives your policy</p>
<p>chosen &#8211; program introduces class user profile, need advice from real lawyer</p>
<p>with appropriate disclaimers </p>
<p>people in the room should be thinking about this &#8211; need to get ahead of it, set good standards and create great user experience and not just higher level interaction with your service</p>
<p>does she read privacy policies &#8211; sometimes yes, and most of the time no</p>
<p>some services cause more concern than others</p>
<p>balancing disclosure with good user experience and non-cumbersome user experience</p>
<p>more protections, more cumbersome<br />
depends on a particular thing &#8211; cookies great if they allow you to know where you were or remember prefs &#8211; but can have horrible applications</p>
<p>sometimes you do have to encumber user experience</p>
<p>UE &#8211; includes privacy &#8211; part of the experience &#8211; this is critical</p>
<p>reccomendation for good resources?<br />
where should they go to learn more</p>
<p>reading caselaw wont help you &#8211; no magic bullet privacy answer</p>
<p>some things the law does deal with &#8211; health you need guidance &#8211; you need rules to provide experience to the user</p>
<p>writing privacy policices in lang users can understand (short of making it graphical)<br />
on cyberlaw site &#8211; students wrote policy for muni wireless &#8211; took that approach &#8211; mom should be able to know what will be done with her info</p>
<p>how far is Stanford and Berkman in the work?<br />
goal &#8211; have the legal part done b4 students leave for summer &#8211; now tech implementation part</p>
<p>tag content to tell people how you want to give them permission to use it<br />
# of diff licenses and metrics &#8211; machine, lawyer, people and graphical code</p>
<p>CC license &#8211; huge choice &#8211; more than what the law requires<br />
go to PP gen and allows u to do whatever you want with peoples stuff</p>
<p>educational element</p>
<p>2 diff rules that address<br />
CDA &#8211; comm deceny act &#8211; provision that limits liability of service providers for content posted for third parties &#8211; any content that is not copyright</p>
<p>DMCA &#8211; notice and takedown process &#8211; if youhave that regime your liability is limited<br />
reduces liabilty in most cases</p>
<p>in the current youtube viacom &#8211; how far that protection upholds is in question</p>
<p>myspace context &#8211; how far will we let the limitation on liability on content go?</p>
<p>wide ranging limitation on liability for companies</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 And Identity &#8211; Kaliya</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[COmmons community working to develop the buildingblocks for these issues
Starting points &#8211; OpenID architecturee
holy grail
web-wise dist. single signon
coming together of competeing efforts to collab and cooperate
important
too much of the wbe in walled gardend
cutting edge of what it means to have identity
multiple social contexts
far from solving the problem
Trust is the heart of what we are talking [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COmmons community working to develop the buildingblocks for these issues</p>
<p>Starting points &#8211; OpenID architecturee<br />
holy grail<br />
web-wise dist. single signon</p>
<p>coming together of competeing efforts to collab and cooperate<br />
important<br />
too much of the wbe in walled gardend</p>
<p>cutting edge of what it means to have identity<br />
multiple social contexts<br />
far from solving the problem</p>
<p>Trust is the heart of what we are talking about<br />
how and why we trust</p>
<p>because you say we are<br />
when do we do this in real life &#8211; only do it when dealing with entities like bank, govt, passport control</p>
<p>truct comes from past interactions and current context<br />
can be our own experience</p>
<p>based on past experience and referential transactions (jane says susie was good person)</p>
<p>trust is not an algorithm</p>
<p>trust is not a rating</p>
<p>trust is a knowing set of instincts we have evolved &#8211; and intuition to survive and thrive in social groups<br />
we have our own way of balancing our needs for trust<br />
communities have their own ways<br />
we make decisions on trusst based on range of info<br />
how is not obvious</p>
<p>enough helpful tools and practices<br />
need to be much deeper than ratings &#8211; deeper human drivers than processes</p>
<p>solutions to these problems must be user centric<br />
rooted in community context</p>
<p>what do we do today and where do we start<br />
start supporting openID</p>
<p>let people bring identities to you<br />
before we get answers we need better questions<br />
whats happening at identity commons and the conversations starting to emerge</p>
<p>questions on the edge about how group ID should be supported in a living way</p>
<p>web2.0 provides a set of engines that make wikipedia possible, live search, etc</p>
<p>big conv. &#8211;  what new engines can web2. provide for support and improvement of id and trust in the social fabric</p>
<p>what can we do to make that happen</p>
<p>Q &#8211; ID stuff is back to centralized model &#8211; shouldnt we look at it diff &#8211; all the places in the real and virt world &#8211; cant we have alogrithm and look in the real world &#8211; actually has real ID based on e</p>
<p>concept of trust associated with the picture</p>
<p>our ID is shaped by all the things we do on the web &#8211; part of the challenge has been that until recently we didng have a way to take ID between diff websites</p>
<p>diff social contexts with diff cultures</p>
<p>sheet has detailed history of open ID<br />
every AOL screenname has one<br />
relatively large platforms supporting it<br />
DIgg NetVibes, 6Apart</p>
<p>How can you say its here &#8211; hopelessly innocent</p>
<p>ID portable and moveable</p>
<p>ID is is URL and all of your relationships &#8211; portable ID in which your content, comments, feeds and social network that you own and take with you </p>
<p>anyone can write a client to consume xml file</p>
<p>ID as component of differentiation<br />
always a danger with standardization</p>
<p>All these things are now more than big ideas<br />
identity layer is being built now<br />
in real terms speaking about coding and developing the nextgen tools</p>
<p>Identity commons &#8211; links on the wiki<br />
internet identity workshop &#8211; 1 month in mountainview<br />
big topic of conversation</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 Building Next Gen Web Platforms</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rich Internet APps means less core &#8211; more things happening on the edge
changing the nature of the requests on the data center
no moores law for power and heat
processing power for electiricty
what does a data center look like?
who worries
coghead, quickbase &#8211; no datacenter
someone at the other end (EC2, S3) &#8211; depends on who you ask and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich Internet APps means less core &#8211; more things happening on the edge<br />
changing the nature of the requests on the data center<br />
no moores law for power and heat<br />
processing power for electiricty<br />
what does a data center look like?<br />
who worries<br />
coghead, quickbase &#8211; no datacenter<br />
someone at the other end (EC2, S3) &#8211; depends on who you ask and who the dev is</p>
<p>hardware costs dominate<br />
driving down people costs fast with autoadmin<br />
bad &#8211; 40% costs admin<br />
good &#8211; 3%</p>
<p>hardware matters &#8211; multiplies badly<br />
some properties &#8211; 50%<br />
dynamic resource allocation &#8211; super important</p>
<p>non-vm world &#8211; blast images<br />
dynamic resources super important</p>
<p>resource equalization<br />
10 or 12 instances</p>
<p>discs some with 500-750 gig capacity<br />
100 IOps per sec<br />
large # of apps &#8211; IO bound</p>
<p>see some apps are bounded on one or the other &#8211; balance workloads</p>
<p>networking bandwidth &#8211; egress and ingress<br />
big gains ot be had</p>
<p>savings in admin costs<br />
new app model in svcs world<br />
100% automation<br />
old &#8211; alert and investgate<br />
new &#8211; restart reboot<br />
really cheap model for admin<br />
only works with 100% redundant state<br />
oh so cheap to admin</p>
<p>5<br />
more small slices<br />
stop buying big systems<br />
consoldiating workloads<br />
very small inexpensive systems<br />
power scales linear, or cubically with freq</p>
<p>end of the gold plated machine room<br />
20% of cost is redundant power<br />
investing b/c they couldnt afford to ever go ddown</p>
<p>stuff to hear about -<br />
concept of data center and what you think of with infrastructure<br />
seen as what the servers are<br />
why am i deplying great code<br />
infra a lot more<br />
size of data center, container, hardware &#8211; a lot more than the servers themselves &#8211; the app deliver subsystem<br />
app delivery infra</p>
<p>between servers and router lots of boxes with diff resp. &#8211; securing, faster, right place,<br />
first mile<br />
network itself &#8211; </p>
<p>between servers and what you get to the network is something<br />
lot of things happeneing there<br />
app devs &#8211; keep in mind what is happening</p>
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		<title>Web2.0 People Formerly Known as the Audience</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heather Champ, Powazeck
1. The talent is out there
altruistic goals attract altruistic participation
wikipedia the best example
Community is grown not built
build the walls firm &#8211; be too rigid is a mistake
the people who you want know more about what they want to do with it
elasticity
how do you build this container
create the tools that they want
reqward good contributions
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<p>1. The talent is out there<br />
altruistic goals attract altruistic participation<br />
wikipedia the best example<br />
Community is grown not built<br />
build the walls firm &#8211; be too rigid is a mistake<br />
the people who you want know more about what they want to do with it<br />
elasticity</p>
<p>how do you build this container<br />
create the tools that they want<br />
reqward good contributions<br />
editorial aspect &#8211; rising to the top, leading by example<br />
punish the bad &#8211; have tools in place to make sure people who lead community in a bad way, need a way to neutralize them<br />
expect the unexpected<br />
you will always be surprised<br />
last year for flickr, when launched geotagging, d&#038;d interface &#8211; drag onto map, into pinpoint &#8211; giant F*CK in greenland story<br />
use them as learning opportunities<br />
using your tool in a way you dont expect &#8211; doing them a favor<br />
as community designers &#8211; first reaction when users use their tools wrong &#8211; oftentimes users arent stupid &#8211; and you have something you can learn from them</p>
<p>Design for Selfishness<br />
why would anyone do this<br />
 and the only answer is cool or b/c wikipedia does it &#8211; you may want to think<br />
 reason could be ego &#8211; make you famous<br />
 could be monetary<br />
 all diff ways to entice participation</p>
<p>2. FInding the Good Stuff<br />
how do you separate the good from the bad<br />
 how do you create a system</p>
<p>there are many interesting examples of how people are doing it now<br />
2 trad ways &#8211;<br />
     editors<br />
       decide what the news is<br />
       assign a writer<br />
       review and approve and publish</p>
<p>slashdot &#8211; moderators<br />
              meta moderators who judge if mods did the right thing<br />
computers<br />
 what google did<br />
 look at the relationship of links to links &#8211; id good as having lots of links</p>
<p>more interesting model &#8211; the best of both<br />
  flickr&#8217;s interestingness<br />
  pictures chosen by magic donkey &#8211; secret sauce looking at behavior<br />
                                                  fluid list of int photos going thru the commnity<br />
                                                  how many people have viewed, favorited, comments<br />
                                                  takes human behavior like commenting and tagging (meta info around photo) and makes interestingness score &#8211; populates it</p>
<p>negative access of creating celebrity class<br />
can drive some people nuts<br />
early on it was rank<br />
people made it a goal to get in<br />
rolled back and reloaded abstract list<br />
want to figure out why it is doing what it is<br />
feed into that</p>
<p>keep it as broad as possible<br />
flickr not asking people to vote on the best stuff &#8211; collecting intention/attention around a photo and determine something larger than the sum of its parts<br />
whenever you have a system that is making decisions based on user input &#8211; you always have a game &#8211; ? what kind of game and what are the rewards<br />
if the game is becoming famous or getting attention &#8211; creates behavior that isnt good</p>
<p>JPG does something similar</p>
<p>Desc of JPG magazine</p>
<p>last issue collected 1 million votes<br />
want users to participate &#8211; give their voice</p>
<p>point &#8211; techniques for ferreting out the good stuff</p>
<p>threadless example<br />
sells tshirts<br />
dont design &#8211; you do that<br />
vote on tshirt designs</p>
<p>uuser additions, voting and editors</p>
<p>11000 submissions for last issue &#8211; having the community help filter and sort is a great help<br />
let the wisdom of crowds do its thing &#8211; with the wis of editors<br />
designing systems like this &#8211; buy wis of crowds by Surewicki</p>
<p>stock market &#8211; acting selfishly</p>
<p>good stuff out there &#8211; get them to make &#8211; </p>
<p>3. How does it make money<br />
communities and commerce are not mutually exclusive<br />
in the past they have treated communities like porceain dolls<br />
communities form around commerce all the time</p>
<p>pull out any product &#8211; chances are there is a disc group about it<br />
how do you integrate commerce in community gen stuff without all going to hell</p>
<p>how not to integrate</p>
<p>ex &#8211; Yahoo Games Wii site<br />
announced to old skool members they would need to merge with yahoo ide</p>
<p>Yahoo games site affected<br />
owned by yahoo games<br />
created photo badge &#8211; pulling anything tagged wii<br />
anything in terms of licensed photos and rights reserved &#8211; not the right thing to do<br />
in addition to legal &#8211; do the right thing</p>
<p>jan 31 &#8211; their photos were being pulled in without permission &#8211; so they replaced with &#8220;Yahoo sucks&#8221;<br />
people still somewhat angry<br />
if you are doing the legal thing &#8211; using the content that is allowable but not the right thing &#8211; they can bite you hard in the derrierre<br />
go above and beyond<br />
making decisions in commercial endeavors<br />
not necessarily going to town<br />
other lesson &#8211; provide copious opt in an opt out<br />
any use of member gen stuff &#8211; they may not know about &#8211; even if ToS says pubblic &#8211; people participating under set of social guidelines told or perceived<br />
another area they didnt know about<br />
copious<br />
if flickr or yahoo games said to community &#8220;we want to do this&#8221; &#8211; would have been a run on it &#8211; people who freaked would have participated if asked permission</p>
<p>pay the photographer $100 at JPG magazine (less excited about money &#8211; but jpg saw it as jumping mediums &#8211; from web to print &#8211; monetarily thank them)</p>
<p>GM Tahoe<br />
ex of the day<br />
being stupid about the internet<br />
site attracted 600k visitors in 3 weeks<br />
9 min on the site<br />
2/3 went on to visit chevy.com<br />
number 1 referrer when active<br />
still wondering if it was a commercial success<br />
why did people make such mean ads<br />
give people a comm tool and you never know what they will produce<br />
was there an anger about tahoe?<br />
or was it a byproduct of the interface itself<br />
your only input was to add some text<br />
all video was stock parts of chevy ads<br />
all you could do is rearrange their video bits and add some text<br />
give them a tiny box to participate it &#8211; it was insulting<br />
put in in a little player &#8211; only had it there &#8211; couldnt email to anyone, couldnt take it with you</p>
<p>developers as editors with APIs<br />
new editorial layer<br />
agg photos in ways people are thinking about<br />
people always have other conversations going on &#8211; let them interact and share in these other areas<br />
only pull things back into your site<br />
you dont own your users &#8211; they own you<br />
threadless &#8211; see profile pages<br />
recognizing their members exist in wide universe where they are creating all over<br />
copious ins and outs &#8211; show respect to members</p>
<p>Why Print JPG mag at all &#8211; first &#8211; in a world where you can upload photo anywhere &#8211; how do you pick?<br />
not another photo website or forum<br />
want somethign that appreciates photos &#8211; honor great work at photoblogs<br />
a reason to participate<br />
choose to part. at the website &#8211; might get publsihed<br />
looked at trad magazines and they are all terrible &#8211; all same stuff &#8211; same top ten list<br />
third part &#8211; make more mags like this &#8211; potential for the web and print to work together &#8211; most mags treat websites as a threat<br />
every submission is online<br />
go and talk online<br />
best stuff gets into print</p>
<p>growing community of people who care about the output</p>
<p>how do you deal with comm feedback on design changes<br />
not lacking in comm feedback</p>
<p>get lots of feedback</p>
<p>will never get 80-% of listeners without 20% of talkers</p>
<p>b horowitz &#8211; 1% creators, 10% synthesizer, 89% listeners </p>
<p>jpg &#8211; 25% submits<br />
50% &#8211; votes</p>
<p>Authority travels upwards in community driven sites<br />
in real world authority travels down (editors down to readers of New Yorker)</p>
<p>good community participant &#8211; do right &#8211; they give you authority</p>
<p>if heather was GM she isnt sure she would want users to make ads<br />
maybe not everything needs to have a community<br />
the voice that comes back &#8211; listen to it</p>
<p>oh my goodness &#8211; maybe not what they expected &#8211; or cynically this is what they expected</p>
<p>not whether you should start a community &#8211; you have a comm that cares<br />
are those people online<br />
and do they care enought to use the tool for what they put out</p>
<p>Nike &#8211; custom shoes to get them to write sweatshop on the shoes<br />
ask &#8211; are the people you are talking to your people or not</p>
<p>commerce &#8211; one other example &#8211; how can commercial entities participate in existing communityes</p>
<p>instead enter an exist comm for GM &#8211; and ask to participate there</p>
<p>Lonely girl vs MySpace</p>
<p>Sponspored themes<br />
gives comm one more chance to publish<br />
no editorial control &#8211; comm still has power<br />
pay to help print the issue<br />
people who print get awesome prizes</p>
<p>free jewel boxes from the sponsor &#8211; outside brand participate respectfully and reward part. in an existing community</p>
<p>good stuff out there<br />
find it<br />
have a viable business</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tools of the trade
enourmouse # of technologies
cant participate in all communities &#8211; have to pick and choose
can try out all the clones for free or low cost
Not an endorsement of any tech &#8211; best tool for him or her &#8211; might not work &#8211; hosted versus local
tools out there &#8211; to get at tofay
the ecosystem
a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tools of the trade</p>
<p>enourmouse # of technologies</p>
<p>cant participate in all communities &#8211; have to pick and choose<br />
can try out all the clones for free or low cost<br />
Not an endorsement of any tech &#8211; best tool for him or her &#8211; might not work &#8211; hosted versus local</p>
<p>tools out there &#8211; to get at tofay</p>
<p>the ecosystem</p>
<p>a lot of tools fall into one to one category</p>
<p>all web2.0 tech powerful enuff to abuse or misues</p>
<p>toolkit</p>
<p>1. Your Site<br />
Blogs, RSS, forums, email</p>
<p>2. Out at the Edges<br />
blogosphere, social networks, photo and vid sharing &#8211; </p>
<p>3. Offline &#8211; (3d worlds)<br />
events, meetups, conferences</p>
<p>make your own presence as a company known</p>
<p>very interative tools</p>
<p>start small and private and expand over time</p>
<p>change from buying a superbowl as</p>
<p>easy to get intimidated &#8211; how to do all this stuff</p>
<p>how to manage all the attention and info &#8211; pick and choose little pieces, start small and expand over time<br />
Part of the community itself</p>
<p>Categories of tools<br />
Blogs<br />
Podcasts<br />
WIki<br />
Rss<br />
SOcial Networks<br />
Chat<br />
wiki<br />
video<br />
chat<br />
email lists<br />
forums/groups</p>
<p>list of 10 other things &#8211; all req interactivity and maintenance and managment</p>
<p> not all tech right for every org</p>
<p>&#8220;rules are&#8221; &#8211; they are full of it &#8211; misleading lie &#8211; everyone doesnt need the same difunct lifestyle</p>
<p>2 or 3 &#8211; maybe not everything</p>
<p>Definitions<br />
regularly updated, frequently updated &#8211; what its all about</p>
<p>blogs &#8211; owner starts conv and everyone responds<br />
wiki &#8211; share document between a number of people</p>
<p>social networking underpinning of these tech<br />
enable who you have relationship in a specific way<br />
relationship confers some status</p>
<p>groups and forums connect community to each other</p>
<p>&#8220;a series of tubes becomes a series of crossroads&#8221;</p>
<p>complement between the diff tools</p>
<p>highlights of key ones</p>
<p>Blogs<br />
great starting point<br />
immediate and ongoing connection<br />
provides human face to the evangelist<br />
enables you to join the community<br />
be proactive and quick to act<br />
low barrier to entry (just get started)</p>
<p>keep the relationship going in a consistent way</p>
<p>start with what works for you &#8211; ok to start without comments &#8211; didnt allow comments when they started</p>
<p>feeds , permalinks, established blogging elements</p>
<p>lot of the tools self correct over time &#8211; listen to the community &#8211; they will have impact and you will have a better result</p>
<p>not being dogmatic or bullheaded</p>
<p>not about the tools &#8211; blogs are forgiving and about a relationship &#8211; plenty of places to find online<br />
great great complments to the other tools</p>
<p>Podcasting and videoblogging<br />
VIdeo services &#8211; metacafe, blip, photobucket</p>
<p>photo tools &#8211; flickr, photobucket</p>
<p>desktop tools &#8211; iMovie, Quicktime, Audactity, Picasa</p>
<p>tools becoming commodified</p>
<p>WIKI<br />
editable web pages<br />
great for collaboration on evolving projects<br />
need tending<br />
hosted vs server side<br />
hosted &#8211; social text, jotspot, PBWiki<br />
server &#8211; mediawiki, instiki</p>
<p>can rapidly go out of date<br />
inaccuracies and errors if not tended</p>
<p>everything has mistakes &#8211; key= people who are interested in managing and maintaingn and organize &#8211; let them organize</p>
<p>willing to play a littl, it doesnt have to be perfect</p>
<p>follow model as blogs &#8211; free or cheap and getup&#038;go &#8211; or installed software (call IT dept) &#8211; more complex but more power</p>
<p>easy to move data between diff types of software</p>
<p>all prod are low enough to expense <img src='http://www.seanbohan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>not uncommon</p>
<p>wiki good tool for internalizing evangelism</p>
<p>wiki less scary inside org</p>
<p>tie to email address for business and internal use &#8211; people grow up &#8211; wouldnt do that with name attached to it</p>
<p>FEED READING<br />
any site with a feed can be tracked passively and centralized<br />
cuts down on the number of email newsletters<br />
feeds for concepts, searches, topics &#8211; search the future</p>
<p>subscribe to feed on a topic &#8211; verticalizes what you are searching</p>
<p>more broad than just the exact name &#8211; not having to track all the blogs &#8211; have the software do the work</p>
<p>discover sites and blogs discussing the topic</p>
<p>hosted vs server for feed reading &#8211; power users want offline</p>
<p>sharepoint and portal apps allow feed reading as well</p>
<p>SOCIAL NETWORKING / MEDIA TOOLS<br />
get out there in the community<br />
anything on your blog can link out &#8211; post screenshots to flickr, upload video to youtube<br />
ensure you are easy to find<br />
use tags, social bookmarks<br />
use the same screenname across the ecosystem<br />
create a presence &#8211; product community page, events calendar</p>
<p>be respectful of the context you are in<br />
myspace and plumbers <img src='http://www.seanbohan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>devil is in the details &#8211; use the same tags &#8211; persistent vocabulary &#8211; use the same screenname across ecosystem</p>
<p>GM mention<br />
find us on &#8211; and then all the networks you participate in</p>
<p>care about participating in those communities</p>
<p>authenticity &#8211; dont join a network just to be on it &#8211; if you cant add something useful and acting like a native and being honest for that group of users &#8211; dont do it &#8211; thats OK</p>
<p>no reason to have empty &#8211; noting lonelier than flickr without photos </p>
<p>SOme guiding priciples</p>
<p>Be Authentic<br />
participate<br />
you are not in control<br />
get transparent</p>
<p>a Day In The Life</p>
<p>How do you keep up with this stuff<br />
skillset and type of person</p>
<p>a day in the life of mr dash<br />
works in blogging company<br />
every customer has a blog<br />
wonderful customers not afraid to kick in the ass</p>
<p>x tens of millions with tools<br />
track 4-5 brands<br />
2-3 senior executives represent the company<br />
any mention of the brands or people is considered an obligation for 6A to respond<br />
SF, PAris, Tokyo<br />
25 million people, 25 lang, 20 key terms<br />
volume in blog posts mentioning in a lang they can respond in tends to be 6-700 posts<br />
on days when launching something new to somethign active &#8211; 10k posts<br />
goal to acknowledge every one<br />
over time &#8211; reduced the amount of resources it takes to do it<br />
1. uses all of the feed search systems<br />
a. icerocket, technorati, sphere.com, yahoo blgo search, google blog search<br />
each tool does a  search for a product term &#8211; searches for all &#8211; opens each search in own tab in FFox bookmarkes the tabs<br />
does for each products<br />
feed of every search for the tools<br />
how the day begins<br />
some agg have the tools built in<br />
dashboard &#8211; lots of spam and people misusing the terms<br />
take away x %<br />
some people are tag spammers &#8211; broad brush<br />
heart of customer comm<br />
diff cats &#8211; hey trying out this product or service &#8211; mention it in passing<br />
people who just formed a relationship with the org<br />
key opps to say HI I am with X &#8211; thanks for talking, considering doing a meeting &#8211; huge touchpoint<br />
surprised where thay benefit comes back<br />
POC that early changes impressions<br />
most is fairly structured &#8211; not in favor of copy and pasting &#8211; follow structure &#8211; make bullet list of main points and make them releavant<br />
saying something that is unique to a certain community<br />
&#8220;hello, welcome, thanks&#8221;<br />
and add on epiece of info that isnt sales-y<br />
&#8220;if you need information &#8211; here is how to get in touch&#8221;</p>
<p>will expose if there is a problem with help at your company</p>
<p>Asymmetrical &#8211; will find the gaps and the outliers &#8211; where to take the notes and maintain a record</p>
<p>second major group is moderately disgruntled<br />
annoyed, peeved, little problems<br />
fairly straightforward<br />
9 out of 10 &#8211; prob aware of it if engaged in community &#8211; shouldnt be a surprise<br />
once you set policy you can talk about what you are doing about it<br />
justify what you get in exchange for the fees</p>
<p>underprmise and overdeliver<br />
aware and working on it<br />
fix it or explain &#8211; but be sincere<br />
they will understand by being upfront</p>
<p>2 easy cases &#8211; welcome to the community or you have a problem</p>
<p>3rd &#8211; people who are really upset</p>
<p>most upset for something that has nothing to do with your company, product, service<br />
your product failed at the wrong time &#8211; impetus is never about the failure of the prod &#8211; you can never say &#8220;here is what you are upset about&#8221; &#8211; cant do that &#8211; more exasperating</p>
<p>going a little beyond makes a big difference</p>
<p>more when the battery comes back</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deb Schultz and Anil Dash

Philosophy of evangelism
what is community evangelism
Key concepts
Human tools and tech tools
technical know-how
case studies
WHat can you do with a Book? (AD)
concept that informs a lot of what he sees personally
talk to young people &#8211; what can they do with a book &#8211; read it, notes, cover it, burn it
dont quickly get to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb Schultz and Anil Dash</p>
<p><img src="http://seanbohan.com/wp-content/uploads/deb_anil.jpg" alt="deb and anil" /></p>
<p>Philosophy of evangelism<br />
what is community evangelism<br />
Key concepts<br />
Human tools and tech tools<br />
technical know-how<br />
case studies</p>
<p>WHat can you do with a Book? (AD)</p>
<p>concept that informs a lot of what he sees personally</p>
<p>talk to young people &#8211; what can they do with a book &#8211; read it, notes, cover it, burn it<br />
dont quickly get to the idea they can write a book</p>
<p>dramatic change for them &#8211; they have control over somethign they interact with every day</p>
<p>profound disctinction re the web &#8211; the web is something they can manipulate, creat and control</p>
<p>Want to start a podcast, reach a large audience</p>
<p>ton of times reading books or school &#8211; but none on the web</p>
<p>diff is the potential of evan</p>
<p>what they can do with the mediaum</p>
<p>2 ideas to review &#8211; Persistance and Awareness<br />
fundamental enablers<br />
make the rest o what we do powerful<br />
how many use print or DM?<br />
small number<br />
some actually still cold call caustomers</p>
<p>how do we shift from old school to new school &#8211; thru persistance and awareness<br />
obvious in retrospect </p>
<p>media is totally disposabel &#8211; degrade automatically &#8211; can be lost forever<br />
business comm &#8211; a lot that we send comm in a way that says &#8220;this is disposable&#8221; &#8211;<br />
we dont have to settle for that &#8211; great comm can be made that we want to keep &#8211; meaningful enuff that we want to keep over time</p>
<p>Visits to the Long Tail<br />
from the last month<br />
61% from last month, 27% older than 1 month, 12% older than one month from search</p>
<p>how much of our commm is around newness, and immediacy &#8211; we are ignoring almost 1/2 that conv</p>
<p>people are sending links, passing them on, referring to the later</p>
<p>lots of comm going on that is persistant over time &#8211; valuable for the long run.<br />
see a lot of cisitors to older content on  a blog that is about writing a book (aritfact on a shelf for the rest of your life</p>
<p>blog is persistant over time</p>
<p>social tension arising from use using email and IM over time<br />
emo we need something to hold on to</p>
<p>ikea is a maze &#8211; cant get out without buying something</p>
<p>not how the web works<br />
exp of going thru store where they are controlling everywhere you go and everything you see</p>
<p>profound thing &#8211; not having a maze</p>
<p>Permalinks and date stamp &#8211; see them forever<br />
what was missing from those company websites designed to be ikea store<br />
in all of social media there is a social contract &#8211; date stamp promises there will be more updates</p>
<p>A DATE STAMP IS A SOCIAL CONTRACT</p>
<p>because no ones name was attached they were free to make something that didnt have value &#8211; namestamp is a confirmation of value</p>
<p>wikipedia &#8211; edit link &#8211; we trust you to be part of the editing &#8211; think about what a leap or promise that is</p>
<p>i have the right to be on the page &#8211; think of the risk and opp they are taking wiht that &#8211; social expectations being set &#8211; I WILL STAY IN TOUCH</p>
<p>Intentions of maintainging relationships</p>
<p>want to talk to someone other than asking for money</p>
<p>we dont stay in touch &#8211; </p>
<p>how do we turn the promise to stay in touch where we actually do stay in touch</p>
<p>fulfilling that promise to stay in touch</p>
<p>at the bottom line &#8211; what matters</p>
<p>the reason we can trat them as disposable &#8211; they are</p>
<p>if we promise and we do so the bar is raised &#8211; we can only stay in touch if we add value &#8211; no value less attention is paid</p>
<p>kids can watch a movie over and over</p>
<p>resonance there that doesnt happen with web and web20 tech</p>
<p>1/3 of the books he moved he never read</p>
<p>intention of emotional connection</p>
<p>books and movies about meaning ful things we have that ARENT people</p>
<p>can comm using web2.0 that is meaningful and resonant as the best media we consume</p>
<p>as meaningful and the best movie you have ever seen</p>
<p>making something lasting, meaningful and persistant</p>
<p>not to say it will be in the same way &#8211; but will be able to comm and treat with the respect appropriate to that comm (friends getting engaged announced with txt)</p>
<p>treating phys objects as disposable &#8211; they dont have to be &#8211; they can be valuable</p>
<p>MEANINGFUL</p>
<p>how meaningful a relationship you can have with non-competitors</p>
<p>AWARENESS<br />
crux of info overload problem<br />
one key resp as evangelist is to nav sea of info to find what has value and what needs to be trashed</p>
<p>&#8220;I NEED MORE EMAIL&#8221; &#8211; no one says that</p>
<p>awareness not about alert messages &#8211; prone to being misused</p>
<p>thoughtless &#8211; not appropriate &#8211; hurts attention &#8211; worse than spam &#8211; </p>
<p>junkmail can be deleted &#8211; mental expense of people being unintentionally being thoughtless because tools allow it, enable &#8211; rude by accident &#8211; tools encourage us to do that</p>
<p>WE ARE ALL SINNERS <img src='http://www.seanbohan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>offer forgiveness for myself and all of us</p>
<p>dont have to be rude</p>
<p>what inspired us &#8211; what do people love and covet &#8211; ipod, tivo, wii</p>
<p>why these tools were diff than fax machine in office space</p>
<p>same fols working on them</p>
<p>should be similar</p>
<p>diff b/c they offer you control</p>
<p>tv commercials &#8211; loud, obnoxious, annouting</p>
<p>good tv now</p>
<p>tivo &#8211; not beholden to schedules or commercials &#8211; control<br />
ipod &#8211; control instead of radio station<br />
wii &#8211; 1 button , move it around &#8211; visceral powerful levels of control &#8211; </p>
<p>how do we trans to web experiences?</p>
<p>RSS ICON</p>
<p>Feeds about control &#8211; choosing where and when you get info<br />
subscribe, get info &#8211; on your terms, on your time</p>
<p>some of the best tools for feed look like tivo, ipod and wii</p>
<p>seeing there is a convergence towards software and web tech and phys devices enabling control</p>
<p>persistanc e- val over time<br />
awareness &#8211; connection without being rude</p>
<p>Persistance + awareness = a relationship</p>
<p>relationship doesnt fit into columns</p>
<p>assign metrics and measurement about evangelism</p>
<p>goal of evangelism &#8211; maintain a relationship on the web</p>
<p>using web2.0 to build relationships</p>
<p>COMMUNITY EVANGELISM</p>
<p>Customeer advocate<br />
listener and educator<br />
world of control &#8211; corp has lost a huge amount of control &#8211; they can make a huge difference</p>
<p>role of evangelist can bring individuals and community along</p>
<p>Amongst the people &#8211; being a native as well as on the road</p>
<p>increaing numbers of ethnographers and anthropologists getitng into tech</p>
<p>everyone here will be talkign about users as if they are the other &#8211; we are different from them &#8211; we are different &#8211; we need to get inside the world of people who dont care and dont use all day every day</p>
<p>learn from it and respect it &#8211; there is a diff culture out there and be part of it and bring use to it</p>
<p>evangelist is not sales or marketing role &#8211; human face of the company &#8211; 3d embodiyment</p>
<p>online and offline &#8211; cross functional  &#8211; not just role of the marketer &#8211; not solely a markeitng role<br />
that individual has to have and feel comfortable and empowered across the company &#8211; HR, Marketing, corporate, CS</p>
<p>Internal as well as external &#8211; need to be able to interface with marketing and CS<br />
not just outsiders &#8211; </p>
<p>foil for the company or a critic &#8211; say things your CEO doesnt want to hear<br />
externally facing &#8211; biggest fan | internally biggest critic</p>
<p>&#8220;gone native&#8221; &#8211; off there on the other side &#8211; living in a middle of a bridge between the two</p>
<p>human skills</p>
<p>Listener<br />
COnnecter<br />
Critic<br />
Catalyst (Starfish and the spider &#8211; decentralized awareness persistant landscape)<br />
Partial Geek<br />
Detective<br />
Diplomat<br />
Juggler<br />
Driven by relationships<br />
Approachable<br />
Intuitive<br />
Inquisitive</p>
<p>catalyst connector role &#8211; need to connect and forge relationships</p>
<p>perceived egotistical evangelist isnt bad</p>
<p>working and thinking on the feet alot</p>
<p>pushing pushing</p>
<p>interesting balance &#8211; element to succeeding where good evangelists become as well known in the brands they are worknig with as their communities &#8211; is it for you or the company/product</p>
<p>if aligned to these values it is clear to what you are in service of</p>
<p>interesting tension to be explored &#8211; </p>
<p>conquistadors thought they were evangelists (ended up destroying the civ they visited &#8211; DeSoto)</p>
<p>geek vs partial geek &#8211; translating and human skills &#8211; you end up treading more lightly &#8211; very instructuve to think of the conversation and interactions </p>
<p>bringing your cult to the world that isnt read yet &#8211; evolution, interation and change</p>
<p>important  &#8211; like porn &#8211; in it for their ego or corp ego &#8211; you know it when you see it</p>
<p>before you start an evangelism program &#8211; make sure you are aligned with where the company is<br />
ask the tough questions up front</p>
<p>already dozens of bloggers around MS</p>
<p>that kind of face</p>
<p>transparency &#8211; len hasnt gotten  a lot of credit for being a catalyst behind that &#8211; a lot of clarity around the bigger goal</p>
<p>Sometimes transactions dont matter</p>
<p>there is an exchange going on &#8211; its ok to admit that &#8211; but need to find respect</p>
<p>Key Concepts</p>
<blockquote><p>Democratization of tools and access<br />
The Live Web<br />
Decentralization<br />
Amateur culture<br />
Increased individual influence<br />
COntrol is out of control<br />
let the seller beware<br />
people are the message </p></blockquote>
<p>Blogging and the role of marketing &#8211; now we can jump into the conversation<br />
human face &#8211; corp blogs and ceo blogs &#8211; connector and curator</p>
<p>kind of person that can jump in &#8211; people are the message &#8211; markets and conversations of the cluetrain</p>
<p>they are paying you  &#8211; respect and listen to them &#8211; relationships take work &#8211; take time, take effort &#8211; in it for the long haul</p>
<p>EVANGELISM<br />
ANil hates the title<br />
no better work yet<br />
overtly religious analogy going on &#8211; look at people who practice and the ones most effective are not evangelists &#8211; they are witnesses &#8211; live the life you want others to experience</p>
<p>for those evangelizing &#8211; goal has to be to live the benefits &#8211; if we participate we will gain from it</p>
<p>the role of witnessing &#8211; diversion but important point &#8211; pounding the podium doesnt work</p>
<p>ideas to cover before break &#8211; using web2 to build relationships<br />
1 be where your audience is &#8211; mentally and physicall &#8211; in the communities online &#8211; sometimes in the ugly parts of the web &#8211; hard time justifying you are working if that site is in your browser &#8211; translating into biz req will save time and trouble later</p>
<p>clean polished parts of the web not where the edge is</p>
<p>someone driven by other motivations will not spend time being detective</p>
<p>not into challenge </p>
<p>no its not</p>
<p>2. Offer something of value &#8211; not bribery &#8211; info is most valuable (inc connection), validation<br />
a response saying I read what you said (no qual, not agreeing) &#8211; saying &#8220;I am with this company and are responsing to what you said &#8211; goes a long way  &#8211; validation is huge<br />
things you take for granted &#8211; is valuable</p>
<p>3. Use WHat You Got<br />
decision making process of one initiative &#8211; put it out there for debat &#8211; means the world to those using the product or considering a purchase<br />
share that part of the conversation &#8220;oh, you actually put thought into this&#8221;<br />
dont have insight or respect of it</p>
<p>can get lost in transparency and authenticity</p>
<p>baby steps to talking in a different tone</p>
<p>not that difficult a transition to make</p>
<p>If youdidnt get your badge this AM &#8211; tables at bottom of escalator</p>
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